On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 9:07 PM, rhn <[email protected]>wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:33:22 +0200 > Tom Hacohen <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 4:40 PM, rhn <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:22:36 +0200 > > > Tom Hacohen <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 3:26 PM, rhn < > [email protected] > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey. > > > > > I finally decided to switch to the new SHR-T after using the old > SHR-U > > > > > because I was afraid of breakage and not having time to fix stuff > on my > > > own. > > > > > As I expected, most of the bugs are ironed out now, but some > remain. > > > > > > > > > > The most annoying thing is that sometimes, multipart SMS I send are > cut > > > > > off. This happens only when my SIM card is full (I remember sending > SMS > > > via > > > > > ogsmd required copying it to SIM and then sending). I guess that > could > > > be > > > > > solved by copying messages from the SIM and always keeping some > space > > > on the > > > > > card. Or at least presenting the user with a message along the > lines of > > > "You > > > > > have to clean up your SIM card". > > > > > > > > > > The second most annoying thing was a bug in the new screen dimming > > > feature. > > > > > In some cases, using the phone irregularly causes the screen to get > > > stuck in > > > > > the half-lit mode. After a while, it dims again, but doesn't light > up > > > fully > > > > > until restart. > > > > > > > > > > One more thing is Unicode support in SMS. I daresay it's actually > > > unwelcome > > > > > in many cases. Most mobile phones and SMS sending services convert > > > Unicode > > > > > to plain ASCII, because UCS-2 encoded messages are heavy and > costly. > > > > > Someone will say: "don't use Unicode signs". Well, that would be > fine > > > if > > > > > the only input was a dumb keyboard, but our keyboards support > > > dictionaries > > > > > that do contain Unicode letters. > > > > > My proposition is to mgive users choice to convert Unicode letters > to > > > their > > > > > ASCII approximations. I would have done that myself, but I couldn't > > > find my > > > > > way through the C code responsible for that. I would happily extend > the > > > > > settings app though. > > > > > > > > > > Having said that, I have to admit that current SHR-t is the most > > > > > comfortable image I've ever used! Being able to store all messages > I > > > receive > > > > > is something I've been waiting for so long. The alarms app - it > > > literally > > > > > feels like someone was reading my mind! > > > > > Last but not least, I'm happy to finally have a notes application. > I > > > used > > > > > to write my notes down in text files, and that required running > > > terminal and > > > > > then the all-keyboard vi... BTW, there's a need for a > finger-friendly > > > text > > > > > editor, too. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > rhn > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > Concerning messages: We do send messages as 7bit gsm (i.e, not ucs2) > when > > > > possible, we do not try to convert to approximation because we want > to > > > send > > > > EXACTLY what you asked us to send, you don't want to send unicode > > > messages, > > > > don't type unicode characters, it's as simple as that (in my pov). > The > > > > remaining characters counter shows ~70 when it's a unicode message > and > > > ~160 > > > > when it's 7bit gsm. > > > > Don't you think I have a point? > > > > -- > > > > Tom. > > > > > > > It's not as easy as that. > > > > > > I'm using the Illume keyboard with a normal dictionary, containing all > the > > > words exactly how they are written. I use the dictionary not only for > SMS: I > > > write notes, emails or communicate using Pidgin. I enter Unicode words > there > > > and I'm happy about it. > > > > > > I don't want to use two separate dictionaries for SMS and for > everything > > > else. It's impossible with the Illume keyboard anyway, because it > shares the > > > dynamic part regardless of the "main" dictionary. > > > > > > You're basically saying "don't use the dictionary at all or pay twice > for > > > messages". Yes, I know that it's not something you couldn't live > without, > > > but it helps *a lot* to be able to type quickly and not pay and arm and > a > > > leg for that. > > > > > > I agree that modifying all Unicode messages is unacceptable, but it > > > shouldn't be bad if the user could choose. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > rhn > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > If you can come up with an algorithm that clearly states what you want to > > change to what, we can probably make it a config option. Mind providing > an > > example sentence (in unicode) and what you want it to translate to? (in > 7bit > > gsm). > > Thanks. > > -- > > Tom. > > > > About the algorithm - a simple lookup table with Unicode letters would be > enough. Some might call them maps, I call them dictionaries. > There was a reverse of that (guessing the Unicode possibilities from a > basic alphabet input) being done in the Illume keyboard, so a table like > that is already there: > svn checkout > http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/e/src/modules/illume/e_kbd_dict.c > It lacks some letters though. > > An example sentence: > "Wstałem z łóżka" -> "Wstalem z lozka" > The algorithm I propose is replacing the Latin-Supplement-1 and > Latin-Extended-A letters with the base ones. > Maybe replacing them with strings in case of "ß"->"ss" or "æ"->"ae", but we > should first ask people who actually use these. > > I can implement it myself if you provide me with a brief introduction into > the new libphoenui. > > Cheers, > rhn > _______________________________________________ > I know how to do it, I guess I wasn't clear enough, I need the table, not anything else :P I don't know how to do it alone (as I don't speak those languages) so please provide with a table of to and from values, like: ß ss æ ae and more. -- Tom.
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