Hello Jens

On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:00:21 +0100
Jens Seidel <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi rhn (???) and others,
> 
> I really wonder how many people are even unable to write proper mails.
> Short: Read http://linux.sgms-centre.com/misc/netiquette.php and similar
> netiquettes and follow them! It cannot be so difficult, right?

If you're referring to long lines, then some RFC allows 1000-character lines. I 
know it's not considered netiquette, but I hate the mess/wasted space I get 
when viewing emails with a client not set to *exactly* 80 chars per line, or 
single-word lines after quoting. But I don't want to start a flame war here ;)

> I find using 7 bit replacements very very ugly and try to avoid it even if
> typing 8 bit charcters needs twice or even more time. It is really hard,
> using the German illume Keyboard is isn't even possible to insert "ß". To
> enter umlauts (öäü) you have to enter them as words and need to delete the
> inserted space after it, what a mess!

I do find them ugly, too, but they don't make the text much more difficult to 
comprehend and they let me write shorter messages.

> I once adapted the terminal layout to properly match a German keyboard but
> did so in the filesystem and the next upgrade to illume made my changes
> vanish :-(( I have to do it again and send it upstream I know ...

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume_keyboard#List_of_layouts - have you seen 
these?

> > > > > > > The remaining characters counter shows ~70 when it's a unicode 
> > > > > > > message and
> > > > > > > ~160 when it's 7bit gsm.
> 
> Heh, you mean once I enter ASCII text followed by a single 8 bit character
> the number of usable characters reduces immediately by 90? Never have seen
> this!

I never said these were 8-bit characters. Try sending the sentence below with 
SHR Messages (I know, it's difficult). It really does happen.
It reminded me of a case with Samsubg a while back. Their phones contained 
software that miscounted national characters, what made the characters eat up 
~100 remaining chars at once. People widely considered Samsung phones broken 
because of that. Now I realized it could have been them trying to keep messages 
unmodified and send them in UCS-2.

> > > > An example sentence:
> > > > "Wstałem z łóżka" -> "Wstalem z lozka"
> > > > The algorithm I propose is replacing the Latin-Supplement-1 and
> > > > Latin-Extended-A letters with the base ones.
> 
> The opposite "Wstalem z lozka" -> "Wstałem z łóżka" would be more welcome
> but is of course not unique/wanted in all cases ...
> 
> Jens

What you propose would be welcome when it comes to input. That's something 
completely different than working around flaws(?) in SMS design, though.

Cheers,
rhn
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