On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:05 PM, rhn <[email protected]>wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:01:47 +0200 > Tom Hacohen <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 9:07 PM, rhn <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:33:22 +0200 > > > Tom Hacohen <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 4:40 PM, rhn < > [email protected] > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:22:36 +0200 > > > > > Tom Hacohen <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 3:26 PM, rhn < > > > [email protected] > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey. > > > > > > > I finally decided to switch to the new SHR-T after using the > old > > > SHR-U > > > > > > > because I was afraid of breakage and not having time to fix > stuff > > > on my > > > > > own. > > > > > > > As I expected, most of the bugs are ironed out now, but some > > > remain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most annoying thing is that sometimes, multipart SMS I send > are > > > cut > > > > > > > off. This happens only when my SIM card is full (I remember > sending > > > SMS > > > > > via > > > > > > > ogsmd required copying it to SIM and then sending). I guess > that > > > could > > > > > be > > > > > > > solved by copying messages from the SIM and always keeping some > > > space > > > > > on the > > > > > > > card. Or at least presenting the user with a message along the > > > lines of > > > > > "You > > > > > > > have to clean up your SIM card". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The second most annoying thing was a bug in the new screen > dimming > > > > > feature. > > > > > > > In some cases, using the phone irregularly causes the screen to > get > > > > > stuck in > > > > > > > the half-lit mode. After a while, it dims again, but doesn't > light > > > up > > > > > fully > > > > > > > until restart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing is Unicode support in SMS. I daresay it's > actually > > > > > unwelcome > > > > > > > in many cases. Most mobile phones and SMS sending services > convert > > > > > Unicode > > > > > > > to plain ASCII, because UCS-2 encoded messages are heavy and > > > costly. > > > > > > > Someone will say: "don't use Unicode signs". Well, that would > be > > > fine > > > > > if > > > > > > > the only input was a dumb keyboard, but our keyboards support > > > > > dictionaries > > > > > > > that do contain Unicode letters. > > > > > > > My proposition is to mgive users choice to convert Unicode > letters > > > to > > > > > their > > > > > > > ASCII approximations. I would have done that myself, but I > couldn't > > > > > find my > > > > > > > way through the C code responsible for that. I would happily > extend > > > the > > > > > > > settings app though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having said that, I have to admit that current SHR-t is the > most > > > > > > > comfortable image I've ever used! Being able to store all > messages > > > I > > > > > receive > > > > > > > is something I've been waiting for so long. The alarms app - it > > > > > literally > > > > > > > feels like someone was reading my mind! > > > > > > > Last but not least, I'm happy to finally have a notes > application. > > > I > > > > > used > > > > > > > to write my notes down in text files, and that required running > > > > > terminal and > > > > > > > then the all-keyboard vi... BTW, there's a need for a > > > finger-friendly > > > > > text > > > > > > > editor, too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > > rhn > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Concerning messages: We do send messages as 7bit gsm (i.e, not > ucs2) > > > when > > > > > > possible, we do not try to convert to approximation because we > want > > > to > > > > > send > > > > > > EXACTLY what you asked us to send, you don't want to send unicode > > > > > messages, > > > > > > don't type unicode characters, it's as simple as that (in my > pov). > > > The > > > > > > remaining characters counter shows ~70 when it's a unicode > message > > > and > > > > > ~160 > > > > > > when it's 7bit gsm. > > > > > > Don't you think I have a point? > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Tom. > > > > > > > > > > > It's not as easy as that. > > > > > > > > > > I'm using the Illume keyboard with a normal dictionary, containing > all > > > the > > > > > words exactly how they are written. I use the dictionary not only > for > > > SMS: I > > > > > write notes, emails or communicate using Pidgin. I enter Unicode > words > > > there > > > > > and I'm happy about it. > > > > > > > > > > I don't want to use two separate dictionaries for SMS and for > > > everything > > > > > else. It's impossible with the Illume keyboard anyway, because it > > > shares the > > > > > dynamic part regardless of the "main" dictionary. > > > > > > > > > > You're basically saying "don't use the dictionary at all or pay > twice > > > for > > > > > messages". Yes, I know that it's not something you couldn't live > > > without, > > > > > but it helps *a lot* to be able to type quickly and not pay and arm > and > > > a > > > > > leg for that. > > > > > > > > > > I agree that modifying all Unicode messages is unacceptable, but it > > > > > shouldn't be bad if the user could choose. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > rhn > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > If you can come up with an algorithm that clearly states what you > want to > > > > change to what, we can probably make it a config option. Mind > providing > > > an > > > > example sentence (in unicode) and what you want it to translate to? > (in > > > 7bit > > > > gsm). > > > > Thanks. > > > > -- > > > > Tom. > > > > > > > > > > About the algorithm - a simple lookup table with Unicode letters would > be > > > enough. Some might call them maps, I call them dictionaries. > > > There was a reverse of that (guessing the Unicode possibilities from a > > > basic alphabet input) being done in the Illume keyboard, so a table > like > > > that is already there: > > > svn checkout > > > > http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/e/src/modules/illume/e_kbd_dict.c > > > It lacks some letters though. > > > > > > An example sentence: > > > "Wstałem z łóżka" -> "Wstalem z lozka" > > > The algorithm I propose is replacing the Latin-Supplement-1 and > > > Latin-Extended-A letters with the base ones. > > > Maybe replacing them with strings in case of "ß"->"ss" or "æ"->"ae", > but we > > > should first ask people who actually use these. > > > > > > I can implement it myself if you provide me with a brief introduction > into > > > the new libphoenui. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > rhn > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > I know how to do it, I guess I wasn't clear enough, I need the table, not > > anything else :P > > I don't know how to do it alone (as I don't speak those languages) so > please > > provide with a table of to and from values, like: > > ß ss > > æ ae > > and more. > > -- > > Tom. > > > > Sure. > It's divided into parts: what I found in Illume keyboard source (only > mapped to lowercase), the Polish conversions I use daily and the rest. I > don't know how many other people read this thread, so the last section will > be my guesses about other languages - so that you can choose to include them > or not. > If you do, then people will probably start to notice the feature and > request improvements in the table. > Also, it probably contains a fair number of characters that will never be > used. > > The list is in attachment. > Cheers, > rhn > Please open a ticket and attach this table to it, I already have too many mails marked as important atm :P -- Tom.
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