Hi, Thanks for this data vivek.
On the basis of this I cannot suggest this proposal can be accepted - the impact is too large. Certainly we, as a community, and APNIC as a whole, need to look at what can be done to assist these prefixes coming "into the fold" - but with 581 still with no response, and 175 "not yet done" - the risk of this proposal having adverse consequences on the routing table is too great. Andrew On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 at 17:45, Vivek Nigam <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Andrew, > > > > Please see my responses below. > > > > > a) the number of legacy resources currently in use (as in, visible in > the global table), but not yet claimed through this process > > > > We started this project in February this year and identified 3932 > historical IPv4 prefixes that were not managed under an APNIC account. 885 > of these prefixes are currently visible in the routing table. Following if > the breakdown of these 885 prefixes. > > > > Retained by custodian: 81 > > These prefixes have successfully been claimed and are managed under active > APNIC accounts now. > > > > Being claimed by custodian: 175 > > We are in contact with the potential custodians and they are in the > process of claiming these prefixes. > > > > No response: 581 > > We have sent emails to the custodians but have not got a response as yet. > We are in the process to find alternate contacts by contacting the ASN > announcing these prefixes. > > > > Yet to contact: 44 > > No valid contact information available in whois. We are in the process to > look for alternate contacts via publicly available searches as well as > contacting the ASN announcing these prefixes. > > > > No longer needed: 4 > > The custodians have informed us they no longer need these prefixes. We are > in the process to contact the ASN announcing these prefixes to check why > they are announcing them. > > > > > b) the number of legacy resource claims that have been attempted but not > successfully justified > > > > So far we have not formally rejected any claims. Where a claimant does not > provide sufficient information to support their claim, we do not reject the > claim but rather advise them we will need more information in order to > properly assess it. We have 3 pending cases where we have requested > additional supporting information and one case where the custodian has > refused to setup an APNIC account. We will continue to assist them with > their claims through the year. > > > > Thanks > > Vivek > > > > *From: *Srinivas (Sunny) Chendi <[email protected]> > *Date: *Wednesday, 24 August 2022 at 6:02 pm > *To: *Andrew Yager <[email protected]>, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ < > [email protected]> > *Cc: *[email protected] <[email protected]> > *Subject: *[sig-policy] Re: prop-147-v001: Historical Resources Management > > Dear Andrew, > > Thank you for requesting data. > We will do our best to provide it as soon as possible. > > Regards, > Sunny > APNIC Secretariat > > On 24/08/2022 4:03 pm, Andrew Yager wrote: > > Is there any data indicating: > > > > a) the number of legacy resources currently in use (as in, visible in the > global table), but not yet claimed through this process > > b) the number of legacy resource claims that have been attempted but not > successfully justified > > > > I am aware that this has remained a topic of concern for a number of APNIC > members and technical engineers, and many have been working with APNIC to > try and resolve resource allocations with various degrees of success. > > > > Andrew > > > > > > On Wed, 24 Aug 2022 at 09:36, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via sig-policy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Sunny, all, > > > > Just summited a new proposal version amending the editorial inputs and > also adding the following text: > > “Furthermore, from 1st January 2023, all historical resources need to be > maintained in a current APNIC account. In the event of an account closure, > the historical resource will be placed in a quarantine period and then > made available for re-delegation similar to current resources.” > > > > Also, in order to facilitate the job, I agree that will be safer to move > to a single option with 12 months, so I’ve deleted the “2 choices” in the > new version. > > > > > > Regards, > > Jordi > > @jordipalet > > > > > > > > El 23/8/22, 6:51, "Srinivas (Sunny) Chendi" <[email protected]> escribió: > > > > Hi all, > > This is the secretariat's impact assessment for prop-147-v001, which is > also > available on the proposal page. > > http://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-147 > > APNIC understands that this proposal suggests that historical IPv4 > resources be justified and claimed, or that they be made available to other > organizations that require them. > > APNIC also notes the deletion of Section 4.2.1. Recovery of unused > historical resources. As reported to the community at APNIC 50, this may no > longer be applicable once the project is completed, possibly by the end of > 2022. > > > https://conference.apnic.net/50/assets/files/APCS790/Reclaiming-unused-IPv4.pdf > > *Recommendations:* > > For consistency of language and to align with the current policy document, > the reference to "available pool" could be changed to "free pool". Also the > reference to "original resource holder" and "original custodians" could be > changed to "custodian/s". > > Given the number of uncontactable resource holders, the 12-month option > would be safer for APNIC to implement, as some historical resource holders > may not be aware of the changes to the treatment of historical resources > until they are placed into reserved status on January 1, 2023. > > *Clarification:* > > This proposal only addresses historical resources that have not been > claimed by January 1st, 2023. It does not specify what happens to the > historical resources that are claimed, but the Member or Non-Member account > is not renewed after January 1, 2023. These resources will be considered > historical and may remain in reserve status indefinitely. > > Regards, > Sunny > APNIC Secretariat > > On 11/08/2022 4:59 pm, chku wrote: > > Dear SIG members, > > > > The proposal "prop-147: Historical Resources Management" has been > > sent to the Policy SIG for review. > > > > It will be presented at the Open Policy Meeting (OPM) at APNIC 54 on > > Thursday, 15 September 2022. > > > > https://conference.apnic.net/54/program/schedule/#/day/8 > > > > We invite you to review and comment on the proposal on the mailing list > > before the OPM. > > > > The comment period on the mailing list before the OPM is an important > > part of the Policy Development Process (PDP). We encourage you to > > express your views on the proposal: > > > > - Do you support or oppose this proposal? > > - Does this proposal solve a problem you are experiencing? If so, > > tell the community about your situation. > > - Do you see any disadvantages in this proposal? > > - Is there anything in the proposal that is not clear? > > - What changes could be made to this proposal to make it more effective? > > > > Information about this proposal is appended below as well as available at: > > > > http://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-147 > > > > Regards, > > Bertrand, Shaila, and Ching-Heng > > APNIC Policy SIG Chairs > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > prop-147-v001: Historical Resources Management > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Proposer: Jordi Palet Martinez ([email protected]) > > Anupam Agrawal ([email protected]) > > > > > > 1. Problem statement > > -------------------- > > Section 4.2.1 is outdated and only looking for very old non-routed resources. > > > > The recent EC resolution (22nd February 2022), imply that historical resource > holders in the APNIC region would need to become Members or Non-Members by > 1st January 2023 in order to receive registration services. Failing this, > historical resource registration will no longer be published in the APNIC > Whois Database and said resources will be placed into reserved status. > > > > Given the continued need for IPv4 addresses, it would seem illogical to keep > these unused historical resources in reserve indefinitely. Alternatively, > these resources can be used in a way that is sufficiently justified in > accordance with existing policies, allowing other organizations to benefit > from them during the IPv6 transition. > > > > > > 2. Objective of policy change > > ----------------------------- > > Ensure that historical IPv4 resources are justified and claimed, or that they > are available for other organizations that require them. > > > > If the resources are marked as reserved, the original holders may reclaim > them with a valid justification, when APNIC failed to contact them for > whatever reason. > > > > One example of a valid justification is the case where an organization is > actually using them internally and there are valid reasons to instead use > RFC1918 space, however the space is not routed. > > > > To give the original resource holders more time to reclaim them, we propose > two time-frames for the community discussion and consideration: 6 months and > 12 months. > > > > > > 3. Situation in other regions > > ----------------------------- > > In other RIRs legacy resources lose their legacy status when the RSA is > signed (upon receiving other resources), so they become under the regular > monitoring. In other cases, there is nothing specified by policies. > > > > > > 4. Proposed policy solution > > --------------------------- > > Proposed policy solution (option 6-months): > > > > Actual text: > > 4.2.1. Recovery of unused historical resources (remove) > > To recover these globally un-routed resources and place them back in the free > pool for re-delegation, APNIC will contact networks responsible for > historical address space in the APNIC region that has not been globally > routed since 1 January 1998. > > > > To recover un-routed historical AS numbers, APNIC will contact networks > responsible for resources not globally used for a reasonable period of time. > > > > Proposed text: > > 4.3. Historical Resources Management > > Historical resources that have not been claimed by the original resource > holder will be deleted from the APNIC Whois database after 1st January 2023, > and marked as reserved. > > > > Historical resources marked as reserved have an additional six (6) months to > be claimed by their original custodians. After that, APNIC will add these > resources to the available pool for re-delegation. > > > > Proposed policy solution (option 12-months): > > Actual text: > > 4.2.1. Recovery of unused historical resources (remove) > > To recover these globally un-routed resources and place them back in the free > pool for re-delegation, APNIC will contact networks responsible for > historical address space in the APNIC region that has not been globally > routed since 1 January 1998. > > > > To recover un-routed historical AS numbers, APNIC will contact networks > responsible for resources not globally used for a reasonable period of time. > > > > Proposed text: > > 4.3. Historical Resources Management > > Historical resources that have not been claimed by the original resource > holder will be deleted from the APNIC Whois database after 1st January 2023, > and marked as reserved. > > > > Historical resources marked as reserved have an additional twelve (12) months > to be claimed by their original custodians. After that, APNIC will add these > resources to the available pool for re-delegation. > > > > > > 5. Advantages / Disadvantages > > ----------------------------- > > Advantages: > > Fulfilling the objective above indicated. > > > > Disadvantages: > > None. > > > > > > 6. Impact on resource holders > > ----------------------------- > > None. > > > > > > 7. 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