Echoing what David has said + there exists a NIR - -SIG in the APNIC ecosystem. Its charter is to share information on operations, policies, and procedures and close cooperation with APNIC.
Regards Anupam Agrawal On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 2:21 PM David Conrad <[email protected]> wrote: > Fernando, > > On Jan 24, 2024, at 3:47 PM, Fernando Frediani <[email protected]> > wrote: > > On Wed, 24 Jan 2024, 07:39 David Conrad, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Jan 24, 2024, at 4:19 AM, Fernando Frediani <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > No government should ever be able to mandate anything related to policy >> development and how they apply to IP space assignment and use. >> I’m actually curious: why do you believe you (or the RIRs) are able to >> tell governments what they can or cannot mandate? > > I think you are not following this discussion and trying to speak about > soemthing different from what is being discussed. > > > I actually am following the discussion and I am trying to follow your > argumentation in response to Christopher Hawker that you started with: > > "One thing that must end in APNIC is the possibilit for NIR to have their > own set of policies. This just doesn't make sense, even if they don't > conflict with APNIC's policies." > > As Akinori has pointed out, JPNIC develops its own policies within the > APNIC policy framework which is, in turn, developed within the framework > defined in RFC 7020 (and its predecessors). You state above that NIRs > (e.g., JPNIC) must not be able to do that, even if those policies “don’t > conflict with APNIC policies.” Your statement suggests a fundamental > misunderstanding of the relationships between APNIC and the NIRs that I’m > trying to understand. > > No government is able in practice to determinate what should be the > policies for IP address assignment anywhere. > > > Somewhat orthogonal to the proposal, but I remain curious: why do you > believe this? My understanding is that a government may, in practice, > specify pretty much anything they like, including policy for IP addressing, > for entities within their economy. > > I’m unsure what you mean by this. Simply, NIRs were (and are, as far as I >> know) intended to provide Internet registration services for entities >> within their economy. Overarching guidelines for the policies by which >> those service are provided are defined within the Internet numbers registry >> system (see RFC 7020) but those guidelines do not carry the force of law: >> they require the voluntary cooperation of the parties involved to be >> effective. >> > Maybe your conception about NIRs may not be very accurate and the > difefence between them and the RIRs and the hierarchy that exists. > > > Perhaps, although I suspect I have been doing this a bit longer than you. > Another possibility could be your mental model for how the Internet numbers > registration system works, as simple and appealing as you may find it or > how much you’d like it to be so, doesn’t actually fully correspond to > reality. > > Regards, > -drc > > _______________________________________________ > SIG-policy - https://mailman.apnic.net/[email protected]/ > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]
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