Hi Suresh, Responses below.
On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <[email protected]> wrote: > > All- Wow! This is exactly what I was talking about. This is the > "Invisible > > Man" phenomenon. (Reference to Langston Hughes, FTW!). Basically, black > > The reference is kind of obvious now that you mention it. And no, this is > nothing to do with color or race. Not when most of the people on this list > are people of color, to use that trite but conveniently catchall term. > Including me. > But that is precisely where the disagreement is. I am saying that race is *always* a factor. You are stating - without any evidence if I may say so - that it may not be. But no evidence is needed. Race is obviously *always* a factor in Internet discussions because people make assumptions about you merely based on your name. I did not wish to be less than metta-ful to anyone, including John Sundman. > > > guys and Hispanic guys are almost always routinely dismissed when they > > present certain types of evidence related to race. > > Do you postulate then, that such dismissals are routine only in the case > of black and hispanic people? > > No. It happens for all people in the sense that the evidence that any one person presents may be dismissed. However, it is something else when an entire group of people are doubted in terms of the evidence they present. It is well known to be very common for black people and Hispanic people to be dismissed when they talk about discrimination. > Suresh - there is absolutely no chip on my shoulder. If you want to have a > > serious discussion about this, it is not possible to do so while Person A > > is an admin and Person B is not. The best place for discussing whether or > > When person A (aka Udhay) is *the* admin on silk, when he wants to speak > as an admin, which is very rarely, he makes that explicitly clear. The > rest of the time he is another list member is all, and a good guy to drink > beer with. > > Sure. I am not saying Udhay is a bad guy. I am saying that while goodwill may be present, there is no reason not to bring up how there may be discrimination even if everyone involved is a "good person". We are talking about very subtle effects. The point I made here is about power imbalance. Please see my other email. - James —srs >
