Ode, I think that Simon did a good job in explaining the difference. As to the difference..a simple analogy and rebuttal to what's the difference. As you suggest, true enough, with enough time, money and techo know how, one can eventually turn a Honda into a Mercedes.
Simon Jester <[email protected]> wrote: > You need medical grade oxygen too, except there's no difference but > the price between that and welders oxygen. True enough... but only because it is cheaper to just have one delivery system (with the medical grade filters) than two, and fill both types from the same one. > So, tell me, what's the difference in medical ozone and any other > ozone? Medical ozone is ozone that is generated by a generator that uses pure oxygen as a feed source instead of the ambient air. I already explained that. > When is O3 in water not O3 in water or air? Irrelevant question - the question is, what - in *addition* to O3 - is *also* added to the water or air when using a cheap, ambient air fed ozone generator that is *not* added when using ozone made from a pure oxygen fed source? > If you don't want the Nitric Acid made when running ANY Ozone > generator in air, use pure Oxygen. Cheap generators have *no* *way* of limiting their feed to pure oxygen, so it is *impossible* to do so. Besides - it doesn't make nitric acid, it makes nitrogen oxide. When someone uses a cheap, air fed ozone generator (which is what most household 'air purifiers' and/or ozone generators are), and breathes in the ozone *and* the nitrogen oxide, the nitrogen oxide is converted into nitric acid when it comes into contact with the moisture in the lungs - and *this* is the primary cause of lung damage from these cheap air fed generators - *not* the ozone itself. > Does the pricey device that makes the same thing even mention Nitric > Acid? Some do, some don't. Yes, Plasmafire's do, only to explain the difference between using pure oxygen as a feed source, and ambient air. Since 'the pricey ones' use pure oxygen as a feed source, they don't produce any nitrogen oxide, hence, no dange of nitric acid when breathing it - although it is not recommended to breathe it directly because lung tissue is extremely delicate, and much more susceptible to damage from pure ozone. For lung problems, you bubble ozone through olive oil when breathing it. > Get Oxygen from a welders supply, it comes out of the same hole and > goes into different bottles, one with a very expensive tag on it and > [I think] white paint?? rather than green...bottles made at the same > factory on the same equipment. I already explained why you are correct about them both coming from the same 'hole' - and this is common knowledge to anyone who deals with these generators. Also, Saul sells an inline filter that is even better than the specs require for the medical grade providers, and it is very inexpensive - for anyone who may be concerned about this. > If you need a certain concentration of the same danged thing, learn > how to dilute or increase/decrease feed rates. One thing about the medical use of ozone - up to a certain gamma level (concentration/flow rate), it is very healthy - it will eat up unhealthy tissue (like cancerous cells, etc) and will *not* destroy healthy tissue - but once you go over that level, it can and *will*, and in very high conecntrations, it can be deadly. This is another great thing about Sauls/Teslas design - the cold plasma method is *incapable* of producing ozone in concentrations that can be directly harmful/damaging to healthy living tissue. a lot of irrelevant stuff... > O3 is O3 See my prior - you keep saying this as if someone was arguing the point... but you continue to ignore the ancillary issues... > Oh golly! It's "Tesla Tech" ..must be something special! > Maybe it was, 100 years ago, but a LOT of what Tesla did....didn't > work well at all...if AT all. I think the same could be said for pretty much any inventor who ever lived and will ever live. 99.9% of anything an inventor does does not result in anything useful or productive - but its that .1% that makes the difference between a genius and a failure. And the record shows that Tesla can honestly be credited with inventing many things - most importantly, radio, ac power, remote control (radio control) technology, though there is much more that he had a hand in. > and a lot of what did work has been FAR surpassed. How disengenuous of you, Ode. Look at what he had to work with. His work was done in the late 1800's until his death in 1946... So much of our current technology rests on the foundtaion of his inventions. He invented the lightbulb (*before* Edison). The electrical generators at Niagara Falls, designed and built by Tesla, are still in opration today - and even more importantly, they are some of the most efficient in existence (even compared to modern ones), and still just as efficient as they were the day they went into operation. > Inverter power technology has just about made the average advanced > engineered transformer coil system obsolete, never mind bulky > inefficient "Tesla Coils" that would once fill up a garden shed. I'm not sure of your point... yes, advances are made. This doesn't negate the achivements of a great mind. > Flint knives cut things. They can be very very sharp. Used one > lately? > Stainless steel has become far better than it once was. I hardly > ever see a carbon steel knife anymore. You know... I've changed my mind... you're not nerarly as smart as you seem to think you are. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. 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