Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:
I still do not understand yet the difference between Ionic and collodal
silver. Between all the people who know what they are talking about to a
newcomer all it is is jibber jabber. I still don't have clue what the
difference
is and which machine make ionics and which make colloidal. I
would love
just someone to give to me in laymans terms without all the...I
guess
arguing. Could someone help. I have read and read and you guys just
have me
lost.
I appreciate the info but I don't think anyone has said which is ionic
and
which is colloidal.
Atoms can present themselves in 4 forms.
1. As single atoms, such as neon does.
2. As a compound, in which the atoms are loosely associated via electric
field due to losing or gaining an electron. An atom which has gained or
lost an electron (or more) is referred to as an ion. Ionic compounds
typically disassociate when dissolved in water, which is an ionic
solvent. That is the positive ion and negative ions will move about in
the solution independent of each other. Salt is a good example of this.
3. Covalent bonding. This is when two or more atoms combine by sharing
one or more electrons. These compounds typically do not dissolve in
water, but there are exceptions, such as sugar. Hydrocarbons, plastics
and even molecules of most gases are in this form. A diamond is one
huge covalently bonded group of carbon atoms.
4. Particle, held together not by electrons or charge but by Van der
Waals force. An example of this would be a salt crystal, the salt
compound is ionically bonded sodium and chlorine, but all those
molecules stick together due to the Van der Waals force.
Thus when one is speaking of ionic silver, they are speaking of silver
atoms which have lost an electron and are positively charged. In the
EIS we typically make these silver ions give their electron to a water
molecule, and cause either a negatively charged O, or negatively charged
OH as the opposite ion. Thus for the ionic portion of the mix, we have a
mixture of silver oxide and silver hydroxide. Each of these compounds
have a solubility limit of about 13 ppm. If you add a small amount of
salt to EIS, then it will cloud up due to this portion reacting with
salt, and forming near insoluble silver chloride. Shining a laser into
this will not product any Tyndall effect. This is the portion which is
capable of causing injured cells to revert back to stem cells. It is
also effective in killing pathogens.
For the particulate portion, which is the colloidal part, we have clumps
of silver atoms, which have no charge They may range from 2 atoms to
thousands of atoms each. The more atoms in the particle, the larger it
becomes, and the less stable they are. Adding salt to this will cause
no change. Using a laser though will give Tyndall effect. This part is
believed to be very effective in killing pathogens.
I hope this helps.
Marshall
Thanks
Mary Ellen
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From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent:
Tuesday, June 17, 2008 4:31 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: FW:
CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial
Frank Key's wonderful
contributions to this list have included his
statement that he believes
home-made EIS contains both ionic and
particulate silver, mostly the former, and
that it is effective.
That's the key point.
The gentleman has a
product for sale, but is quite direct and honest
about the efficacy of low-cost
alternatives. That puts him high on my
list of honest people, and though
I've not purchased his product, more
inclined to believe that it is
efficacious and arguably worth the
higher cost, as some on this list have
claimed.
As for the ionic/particulate debate, some of the best-informed
experts
here have never resolved the matter well enough for me to draw solid
conclusions. Again, the bottom line: Mr. Key will vouch for the
efficacy
of the product most of us make using low-cost electrolytic
devices.
On Monday, Jun 16, 2008, at 23:07 Asia/Tokyo, Jim Meissner yahoo wrote:
I have been a member of this group for over 9 years and have learned a
lot
of very useful information by just lurking. There is a collection of
great
minds here. I have not been active for a few years now, but I
remember the
ion, particle wars with Frank Key on one side and
seemingly everyone
else on
the other side. I have visited Frank Key's
testing laboratory on
several
occasions. He has purchased the very
best, money no object, test
equipment.
I would guess that he has more
that a million dollars sitting in one
room.
I remember that the people
who criticized Frank the loudest had no test
equipment at all, just pet
theories. He even offered to test anybody's
colloidal silver for free to
do a comparison. I am an engineer and I
like
the idea of measuring
something rather than just guessing.
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