I have to agree with Indi.  Been reading and waiting, but now will step in.

My EX-SIL, is bi-polar. What a terrible disease. We all know he has it, the doctor's diagnosed him as bi-polar, but of course no one was telling him the truth and he wouldn't listen to anyone. He was fine and we were all wrong.

He is extremely manipulative, even to the point of calling everyone and saying he is ready to commit suicide so that he can again get his way. Everyone else is wrong and he is not. I told him he could stay with us if he took the medicine prescribed. He was wonderful with the drugs in his system, but he stopped within a week because he didn't like the way he felt. He used every excuse to stop taking the pills. We tried another but again he didn't like the results. Finally he just wouldn't take them anymore. He can look you straight in the eye and tell you something, which we all know is an absolute lie, but he believes only himself. I know it is a foul-up in brain chemistry, but he has to help himself which he is neither able or willing to do. My daughter told us horror stories, but only having him live with us did we see firsthand about this disease. She hung in there for 5+ years, but finally gave up the good fight, and this was the only way to save herself from years of misery, and even death. She now has a PFA against him.

This bipolar person struggles. He is either flying so high and moving so quickly that it is impossible to calm him down or he is so low that he needs recreational drugs to pull himself back up. What a terrible way to have to live. He may be an extreme case, so I can't say if there is a bi-polar person that isn't like this.

But I have to agree with Indi - RUN, DON'T WALK. We tried to help him, so we have no remorse.

Bernadette




----- Original Message ----- From: "Indi" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Bipolar disorder


Yes, when I saw that request for advice about dating a bi-polar my first
instict was to post back, "RUN!", having had an experience similar to yours.
But then I thought it might be instructive to see what others had to say
first. Personally, I'd still stick with "RUN!", but no-one ever heeds *that*
advice, IME.

Cheers,
indi


On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 09:23:20AM -0500, Ode Coyote wrote:


  After having listened to a bipolar justify his problems for years and
years...it became clear that he had diametrically conflicting desires and
denied having half of them....the half that he couldn't justify, but
obviously still pursued fulfillment of.
 He was a GENIUS that wanted to be a bum, but his ego wouldn't allow it.
 I kept telling him that so long as he wasn't burden, being a bum needs
no justification..and not being a burden takes very little effort if you
are willing to live what you want, the way it is.

 He COULD "move the world" couldn't get over the idea that he SHOULD, but
didn't want to...so, every time he went down that path and got somewhere,
he'd trip himself up and feel guilty about it, then blame someone or
something else for falling.
 Feeling guilty is depressing and blame does nothing.
 He became addicted to the depression chemicals he justified into being
and sought the alcohol analog to keep himself there, believing he *should
be* stable...one way or the other...falling victim to his own absolutism.

He went to the-rapist a lot, but chose the back end of the mind f*ck...pills.


 Mental imbalance causes chemical imbalance.
Just owning your own "see saw" without judgement... helps a bunch.

No one is not conflicted.
 A Bipolar believes he shouldn't be, splits himself in two and goes for
both absolutes in turns.
In that guys case, his heart eventually exploded.

Anti whatever drugs can serve as a "book mark this page" grounding point
to remind you what *good* feels like.
 Beyond that, they just enable denial and delay.

 Lookie.  Humans are CRAZY.
It's OK to be one and be uncertain who you are and what you want.
That's called "normal"
 My friend thought he had to be sane, that someone else got to define
what that was..... and he didn't like that definition.

 I was headed that way, but chose unreasonable happiness as a means to
see the humor in conflict.
 By brain chemistry followed right along as I did completely pointless
things to prove to me that I didn't need to make sense to myself.
Specifically..Having not eaten or slept in 3 days and having no desire to
stay alive, couldn't find any reasons anywhere....CRAWLED to the mail box
to check the mail on Sunday, 4 times.
 It's a pretty long muddy driveway and such a ridiculous thing to do,
that I just HAD to laugh. [Still laughing 12 years later ]

 "Book mark that page"
 What ...me SERIOUS?

....go bang your head on a wall till you can't stop laughing at how dumb
you are.
 Better yet, go bash your brains out on a big fluffy pillow and don't
stop till you do.

 Let me guess:
 This Bipolar person is VERY intelligent.

Well

 I AM smart enough to be EXACTLY that stupid.
..NOT qualified to know what I want...half manic will do.
Wing it and see what happens.

 Since ANYTHING can be justified, complete opposites CAN be, equally
reasonable.
It doesn't matter which you choose to enhance with illogic, both
directions operate the same way.
..and you don't have to BE there, to travel.

Ya never know where you're going, anyhow.
 All ya ever got is the way you walk..
 What you can't freekin know, doesn't freekin matter.

 "This" sucks...means... I believe I know where I am.
Isn't what you REALLY want, what you DON'T know?
Then not knowing where you're going, is the way there.
.....so stick one foot in your pocket and get going.
The dumber it "looks", the better it'll work to walk away from your
previous smart.
"THIS"

Ode



At 08:45 PM 1/29/2009 +0100, you wrote:

the only thing I can think of is therapy in order for her to learn how
to live with her disorder more easily and I think a good idea would be
for your friend to inform himself what to expect from this disorder and
also how to live with it maybe with a therapist as well.

I would strongly recommend Gestalt therapy, I think it is a very
realistic and earth bound therapy...

Erik

2009/1/29 Marshall Dudley
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>
Someone I know has started dating a girl with bipolar disorder.  Does
anyone know of anything natural or holistic that might help or cure?

Thanks,

Marshall


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