James,

I believe I understand what you are saying, and in as much as is
practicable I agree wholeheartedly, and will work towards furthering
this aim or another for the good of not just you and I but for the
sponsors in general.

Ivan.

----- Original Message -----
From: James Osbourne, Holmes <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, 10 December 1999 08:06
Subject: RE: CS>Re: Bil, Sludge & Honey


> Hi Ivan,
>
> Green is manipulated to equal "reservation of natural resources for
the
> WO"---new is same as old.  The UN was created by the same dynasties
which
> controlled and benefited from the John Company, and the Dutch,
French, and
> Spanish trading cartels in the 1700' and later (Dates may be in
error).
>
> Their goal is not protection of the environment but to use that
argument to
> seize control of forests, etc.
>
> The money is a nice side-effect and a useful carrot for the
lower-end
> minions, but it is not really an issue for them.  They want to keep
money
> out of everyone's hands in order to limit independence and
resistance.  But
> they can create out of thin air as much as they need.
>
>
> James Osbourne Holmes
> [email protected]
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ivan Anderson [SMTP:[email protected]]
> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 3:23 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: CS>Re: Bil, Sludge & Honey
>
> Hi James,
>
> "illusion of freedom controlled by commercial law.(institutionalised
> greed?)"
>
> Well that is ongoing, although we have taken a step in the other
> direction here in NZ with the recent election of a centre left govt.
> with a green party vote required for a majority.
>
> Ivan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: James Osbourne, Holmes <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, 9 December 1999 13:20
> Subject: RE: CS>Re: Bil, Sludge & Honey
>
>
> > I very much agree, except I would include the "American
Revolution".
> It
> > was a plan to quietly switch from overt monarchial tyranny to the
>
> James Osbourne Holmes
> > [email protected]
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Sam Earle [SMTP:[email protected]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:56 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: CS>Re: Bil, Sludge & Honey
> >
> > All modern wars (since the American Revolution) are bad ideas, and
> all have
> > been started for monetary reasons. The U.S. involvement in the
World
> Wars,
> > especially, was calculated and deliberate. The Cold War was a
hoax,
> as is
> > the new Cold War with China. It's all about our own government
> waging war
> > on
> > our freedom in order to own our labor, and it's directed by the
> richest and
> > most anonymous people in the world, who control the banks which
> control
> > everything.
> >
> > Sam
> >
> > > so nukeing japan to save 1,000,000
> > > american gi's was bad idea??
> > >
> > > Dennis
> > >
> > > 51/50
> > > 24/7
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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