Katie,
I jumped on the mcsfn list and am very impressed with Ray's knowledge of
chelation and matters related.
When it comes to CS though, I found some of his comments less than
scientific, as found in the following post.
Can I search the archives of your metals list...what address, so that I
can investigate further.
Ivan.
>I made some from a couple silver wires I bought for $10 and a home-made
>current source. I researched some web pages a bit, found a lady selling
the
>wires and a 'generator' for $40 (but you can make your own for about
$2). So
>I just ordered the wires (which I was told was very pure silver) and
got a
>pretty yellow solution that tasted like tea. Tried it for a few days
before
>I got scared of it. Never had the herxiemer, or gut flora die-off and
didn't
>want to increase the dosage. But its great to visualize laser-pointer
beams
>:-)
Yep, I incidentally happen to have adjustable lab power supply few feet
behind my back so I would not have to spend any $ for the 'generator'
part,
but I would not buy just any silver wires, and personally want to find
high
purity needles and the silver gauze of the type that Becker and the
dentists
who have tried it have used.
>Colloidal silver is the same as Becker's silver, I coulnd't imagine
sticking
>a silver needle in and electrolyticaly diffusing silver ions, because
of the
>electrolytic free radicals and pain. But who knows, they may actualy
help
>kill the damn bugs, and stimulate the immune system.
Actually, it could work if the current levels are in nano-microamp
range, at
that level, there is apparently no pain perceived, and the free radical
generation is also down to very little, other than some ionic silver
generated. The video-tapes and the book I have gone thru showed some
quite encouraging leg osteomyelitis cures with the silver plus
microcurrents,
so it surely is more encouraging than liquid colloidal silver which has
not
achieved similar to date. The date of the nano-microamp current usage
are from medline references, from people who have actually used it
in practicee ( Turkish DDS/PhD who used it with success with who I
communicated, great guy, and from Becker book and from silver+uI
videotapes a member of this list kindly helped me with ).
>I would think injecting
>it would be the way to go, but I'm not going to volunteer.
Apparently the microcurrent with electrodes works better
than colloidal liquid silver according to the video-tapes
and practical findings of those who have used the silver
+ microcurrent. There is also the advantage with the
silver electrodes is that one can insert a needle into
an infected socket and treat it several times a day without
having to pull the needle out back and forth, and cause
more and more trauma to the tissues and no trauma from
injected liquids to the area either. I would concider those
definitely plusses for the microamp+silver approach, and
can see also why the Becker et al chose that instead of
injecting colloidal silver. Colloidal silver also claimedly
does not remain in ionic form ( am not sure of that fact,
but that is what the microcurrent + silver people have
stated, would need to check that fact, but it would sound
true as the ions probably will quickly combine with
impurities in the water and leave little free ions after
a while, which would be the case with injected ionic
silver even, so the microcurrent+silver can provide
ionic silver at lower rate over long period time with
several advantages over the injections, is my view.
> Be nice if
>someone could try it on a rat, because since silver isn't patented no
>corporation will touch it.
Actually, some dentists have used microcurrent+silver in human
dental infections, and have stated positive outcomes, but someone
who tried it also stated to me that she was allergic to the stuff, and
could not tolerate the silver + microcurrent too well. So, it can
both work, and can also backfire.
>Massive dose, of too large particles.
There are massive doses in the colloidal silver liquids, much
more than in microcurrent generated silver ions, which only
produce micrograms of the ions, while there are GIANTLY
HYPERMASSIVE levels of silver in colloidal silver products,
such as 500 ppm = 500 milligrams per liter = 500 migrograms
per milliliter, suggested dose 1/2 tsp is several milliliters
meaning over milligram dosages, wich are quite giant doses
compared to microcurrent + silver dosages which never
reach such GIGA-massive doses.
Also the large particles would produce less silver toxicity
as less would be available to bind to extracellular
protein thiols, and such large particles while as uncharged
they could theoretically enter the cells being fat-soluble, being
so large, they can not enter the cells, so the large uncharged
particles are therefore least toxic. Atomic uncharged
silver could be a problem, being able to enter the fat soluble
tissues, but apparently such form is very short lived so the
ionic silver really is the most toxic, after all, all antibiotics
that work are very toxic, and the hope is that they are
more toxic to the bugs than us ... just like the chemotherapeut
wish is that the cancer dies before the chemo kills the
cancer victim ...
>Not (electrolyticaly generated)
>colloidal.
Heheheh ... ;-)
TIhe ionic 1+ form of silver is quite toxic, and it
binds to monothiols, and that is why it also toxic
to microbes.
I definitely would rather take microgram range total
dose of ionic silver locally to infected socket from the
microcurrent electrodes than would pump milligram
after milligram of the colloidal stuff to my gut and end up
pale blue and have cyan lips ...
>Yea, who knows what interactions can take place? But thats true of any
damn
>drug the FDA is rushing through (my last quack tried to give me a drug
only
>tested for 6 weeks!). Silver has been around for a while.
Silver Nitrate especially ... But I've seen some longer-term collodal
silver users turn blue-lipped and sickly after the initial touting
during
the first year, and then be sickly few years after quitting the silver
once it turned the users quite pale and blue lipped. The health-food
store dude STILL has bluish tint in his lips, and he also has been
much more irrational and irritated post-colloidal-silver than he was
before he ever started it. I happened to go to his store since 1992
years before he took the silver for a year, and he has been much
less nice guy after the silver than he was before, so, argyria may
have similar mental effects in long-term silver takers as mercury
has, the hat may get a bit hot for some long-term colloidal users,
at least it appeared so with the health food store dude, and he
is a living example why I have been very hesitant with the colloidal
silver, won't jump into it, and even microcurrent silver is iffy to me,
but I am willing to try it for short term, but have refused to swallow
even 1/2 tsp worth of colloidal silver. I have met severe people
also over internet who first touted colloidal silver as a miracle
cure which it appears to be in short term, but I never heard much
of them later, and usually people who get fully cured and stay
that way, can not resist to tout their fortune time after time, and
that never happened with the few longer-term colloidal users,
so I wonder if they went down with it just like the local HF store
dude did, after which he has never touted the silver like he did
while it was still helping him. I have not even dreamed of reminding
him to look the mirror and the color of his lips, and it is now already
several years since he quit the silver, I am not that brave as the
guy is quite large ... and who knows how fast he might be when
reminded of the tint of his lips, so I have tried to stay as polite
as I can with him.
>Maybe you could try ordering the antibiotics from a foriegn internet
>pharmacy? Mexico?
>Scott
Yeps, that may soon be one of the last hopes.
Appreciate, Ray.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Katie Jay" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, 19 August 2000 07:07
Subject: CS and mercury
> Hi all,
>
> This was posted on my metals list. I would appreciate your opinions.
>
>
> Love,
> Katie
>
> Sheila asked:
>
> > Has anyone really questioned the use of colloidal silver as a
remedy, in
> terms of its own
> > toxicity, given that the Advisory Commitee of Toxic Substances is
still
> debating the toxic limit
> > for silver?
> > Sheila UK
>
> Ray responded:
> Yes.
> I have done so for 5 years publically, warning people of the
> dangers of the silver poisoning, and silver accumulation into
> tissues that grown on invisible mercury seeds. Please read my
> past writings and warnings of the colloidal silver on amalgam,
> perhaps on this and also possibly on mcsfn list archives.
>
> Regards, Ray S.
> http://mercure.cjb.net
>
>
>
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