Hi, Tel- I don't know if you're aware of it or not, but your email program 
fired off 3 copies of this.  With the recent virus hassles on this list, you 
might want to run a scan on your computer just in case.  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tel Tofflemire 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 8:36 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>An alternative suggestion (off topic)


  Marshall, you may want to check this out, a chance to get in on cheap  
Energy;; 
  Tel Tofflemire 
  from Phoenix,AZ http://www.free-electric.net/index.html 
  Marshall Dudley wrote: 

    All those methods are not what is needed. What is needed is for the 
governement 
    to quit suppressing the real energy devices, the ones that don't require 
any 
    fuel.  That is what is needed.  Ie: 
    http://www.rense.com/general9/unveil.htm 

    Marshall 

    Ode Coyote wrote: 

    >   The basic concept for making alchohol from dead bio materials [yard 
waste 
    > etc] is to seal the materials in an airtight steel container and heat 
till 
    > all volitiles are gassified, condense the gasses into liquid. 
    >  One byproduct is charcoal which can be further used to supply heat. A 
    > solar oven arrangement might suppply additional heat. 
    >  I'm not sure of the exact specs on the process but that's the basics. 
    >  The result is "wood alchohol" aka methonal. 
    >  A more effecient method for production for automobiles may be to install 
a 
    > wood gas generator as was available on Mercedes cars during ww2 and is in 
    > common use in the Philippines today on taxis and motor boats. [not very 
    > convenient, but it works] 
    >  Mother earth news built and ran a Chevey LUV on wood gas. [got about 1 
    > mile per pound of wood if I recall] 
    > 
    > Some auto makers are offering "multifuel" engines that will burn whatever 
    > you put into them if it's at least in the same class of fuel [can't run 
    > peanut oil in a gasoline engine but can in a diesel...can run alchohol or 
    > alchohol/gasoline mix in a gas engine regardless of ratios] 
    >  Ken 
    > 
    > At 09:59 AM 5/5/01 -0500, you wrote: 
    > >Hello, All-- 
    > > 
    > >I've tried unsuccessfully to find Robert Warren of the California 
Alcohol 
    > >Fuel Producers' Assn., who had a super high efficiency distiller 
    > >guaranteed to make 5 gal. of 190 proof "on your first run".  It employed 
    > >special baffles housed in 4" copper tubing configured in a narrow, 
    > >inverted "U" shape about 5' tall, connecting two reservoirs that sat on 
    > >the floor.  The unit was advertised a defunct solar catalog several 
years 
    > >ago. 
    > > 
    > >I'll be getting details soon on running such fuels in a 1:4 mixture with 
    > >WATER...so please let me know of any info about making alcohol from free 
    > >material such as dead wood or sawdust (I've heard that only malic acid & 
    > >sugar are required). 
    > > 
    > >Regards, 
    > >Russ Rosser 
    > >Dietary Minerals: 
    > >Sea Salt, Seaweed Juice 
    > >(256) 546-5945, 547-7850 
    > >cel: (256) 390-1439 
    > > 
    > > 
    > > 
    > >On Sat, 05 May 2001 08:16:40 -0700 Ode Coyote <[email protected]> 
writes: 
    > >> 
    > >>   Methonol can be produced using any biomass resulting in a net 
    > >> neutral 
    > >> carbon dioxide production/consumption loop. 
    > > 
    > > 
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