Gage, Thanks for the advice, but with a live connection 24 hrs a day
"Cox Cable"
super fast and my new fast  1 gigabyte processor, I am forced to employ
Norton Anti Virus in email and all incoming  data...I think I stuttered
as I clicked the mouse ?
Tel Tofflemire
from Phoenix,AZ

Gage Tarrant wrote:

> Hi, Tel- I don't know if you're aware of it or not, but your email
> program fired off 3 copies of this.  With the recent virus hassles on
> this list, you might want to run a scan on your computer just in case.
>
>      ----- Original Message -----
>      From: Tel Tofflemire
>      To: [email protected]
>      Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 8:36 PM
>      Subject: Re: CS>An alternative suggestion (off topic)
>       Marshall, you may want to check this out, a chance to get
>      in on cheap  Energy;;
>      Tel Tofflemire
>      from Phoenix,AZ http://www.free-electric.net/index.html
>
>      Marshall Dudley wrote:
>
>     > All those methods are not what is needed. What is needed
>     > is for the governement
>     > to quit suppressing the real energy devices, the ones that
>     > don't require any
>     > fuel.  That is what is needed.  Ie:
>     >
>     > http://www.rense.com/general9/unveil.htm
>     >
>     > Marshall
>     >
>     > Ode Coyote wrote:
>     >
>     > >   The basic concept for making alchohol from dead bio
>     > materials [yard waste
>     > > etc] is to seal the materials in an airtight steel
>     > container and heat till
>     > > all volitiles are gassified, condense the gasses into
>     > liquid.
>     > >  One byproduct is charcoal which can be further used to
>     > supply heat. A
>     > > solar oven arrangement might suppply additional heat.
>     > >  I'm not sure of the exact specs on the process but
>     > that's the basics.
>     > >  The result is "wood alchohol" aka methonal.
>     > >  A more effecient method for production for automobiles
>     > may be to install a
>     > > wood gas generator as was available on Mercedes cars
>     > during ww2 and is in
>     > > common use in the Philippines today on taxis and motor
>     > boats. [not very
>     > > convenient, but it works]
>     > >  Mother earth news built and ran a Chevey LUV on wood
>     > gas. [got about 1
>     > > mile per pound of wood if I recall]
>     > >
>     > > Some auto makers are offering "multifuel" engines that
>     > will burn whatever
>     > > you put into them if it's at least in the same class of
>     > fuel [can't run
>     > > peanut oil in a gasoline engine but can in a
>     > diesel...can run alchohol or
>     > > alchohol/gasoline mix in a gas engine regardless of
>     > ratios]
>     > >  Ken
>     > >
>     > > At 09:59 AM 5/5/01 -0500, you wrote:
>     > > >Hello, All--
>     > > >
>     > > >I've tried unsuccessfully to find Robert Warren of the
>     > California Alcohol
>     > > >Fuel Producers' Assn., who had a super high efficiency
>     > distiller
>     > > >guaranteed to make 5 gal. of 190 proof "on your first
>     > run".  It employed
>     > > >special baffles housed in 4" copper tubing configured
>     > in a narrow,
>     > > >inverted "U" shape about 5' tall, connecting two
>     > reservoirs that sat on
>     > > >the floor.  The unit was advertised a defunct solar
>     > catalog several years
>     > > >ago.
>     > > >
>     > > >I'll be getting details soon on running such fuels in a
>     > 1:4 mixture with
>     > > >WATER...so please let me know of any info about making
>     > alcohol from free
>     > > >material such as dead wood or sawdust (I've heard that
>     > only malic acid &
>     > > >sugar are required).
>     > > >
>     > > >Regards,
>     > > >Russ Rosser
>     > > >Dietary Minerals:
>     > > >Sea Salt, Seaweed Juice
>     > > >(256) 546-5945, 547-7850
>     > > >cel: (256) 390-1439
>     > > >
>     > > >
>     > > >
>     > > >On Sat, 05 May 2001 08:16:40 -0700 Ode Coyote
>     > <[email protected]> writes:
>     > > >>
>     > > >>   Methonol can be produced using any biomass
>     > resulting in a net
>     > > >> neutral
>     > > >> carbon dioxide production/consumption loop.
>     > > >
>     > > >
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