O.K., I am the guinea pig! I had the MSP IV silver for six weeks. Took it orally first so as to offset the Herxheimer reaction. Had a not really pleasant reaction the first IV dose, but knew what it was, knew it would run it's course, and the MD had pain medicine. I don't think it is easy to gauge "for sure" where a person is when starting ANY CS protocol as we are all unique. I experienced a moderate Herxheimer reaction the first time with an oral dose.
Knowing the Herxheimer was a possibility was not a deterrent for me. I took the "no pain, no gain" approach and was confident that I wasn't going to have a lethal reaction. Personally I think it would be difficult to gauge how an individual might react. I feel like the doctor I used went in-depth into my history and together we discussed "possibilities". He gave me the best and worst scenario and I made the decision to go for it. I also think it vitally important to use a physician that is well educated in all aspects of CS. I know I had one and believe that there are more than a few practitioners out there who desire to heal people and know that conventional antibiotics ain't getting it done! In the past year I had been experimenting with different methods of making CS and already knew that it was addressing my condition, but it was apparent that I had not hit on a cure or close to it. I think this silver-list is a BIG PLUS for anyone looking for information. Had I known about it and read all that I have about IV MSP, I would have still chosen this protocol. I like the idea of each of us being armed with as much information as we can get. Why? Because in the last three and a half years I have been in the hospital 28 times totaling about 365 days of antibiotics. Then an additional approximate 365 days of home IV antibiotics. All due to cellulitis that cropped up at the site of a bushhogging accident 15 years ago in my lower leg! My life was spiraling down as my health declined and that it no easy to live with mentally or physically. All the hosts of "specialists" that have been involved in my problem have been totally mystified that someone that has never had the flu, no urinary tract, respiratory, GI, sinus, or any other infection could get hit so hard without being cured by the big guns like even Vancomycin! If I had been sickly to start with, they could have just said "Weak immune system". Eventually I was being the baby being thrown out with the bath water. I guess the point is that there came a time when I knew I was loosing ground, but still believed there was an answer! I opted for the IV MSP. I was dramatically improved within three days! I also soon came to realize that during those three and a half years I had not felt like crap even when I thought I was between episodes. That became apparent when I started feeling GREAT. Once again, let me reiterate that I think everyone needs to know the good, the bad, and the ugly about all silver products so they can make an informed decision. As for me and my decision. I believe it to be one of the finer ones I have ever made!!!! In all fairness, I will certainly post any progress report if I start turning gray, blue or any derivatives thereof. In the meantime, I'm still looking to perfect my homebrew! Respectfully, Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: AVRA / Jason To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 1:07 AM Subject: Re: CS>Intravenous CS Summer: Mild Silver Protein is far too concentrated. Over the last few years, almost every single report of side effects from use of a silver product was traced back to stabilized silver ( reported to our website ). There have been countless reports of Argyria caused by Argyrol, one of the more common MSP's of old. Luckily, often times with the use of Mild Silver Protein, the Argyria ( why? I don't know! ) begins to become visible in the fingernails, and therefore users decide ( before it's too late, luckily ) to get educated. The more responsible companies out there won't sell it to anyone without a medical license. I know of two examples reported in the last year from oral use of MSP, where the Argyria began to display within a period of six months of initial use. Like any form of silver, it CAN be used responsibly. However, anything more than one teaspoonful of MSP daily quickly exceeds the established minimum amount of daily silver intake required to enduce toxicity, as established by the EPA's RISK analysis. The problem comes in: "I thought it was supposed to be non-toxic. The bottle said that the recommended dose is one tablespoonful daily. I started taking four." In such cases, who is to blame? The manufacturer states the maximum dose allowed, but does not disclaim the risks associated with overuse. One company out there says something like 'although it has been established that 5 PPM of colloidal silver is effective, just to be sure we have created a product that is 200 PPM' . 500 PPM is overkill. 100 PPM is overkill. Petering used injections of stabilized silver products up to 750 PPM to kill lab rats to demonstrate that a selenium and vitamin E deficiency may be associated with silver toxicity. The drug companies have long known of this human habit of tripling to quadrupling doses. That's why many OTC drugs have maximum doses listed at 1/3 to 1/4 of the known safety limits ( like all of the NSAIDS -- Alleve, etc. ). In this case, the Rx companies err on the side of caution, and act in a manner that is as responsible as possible ( no doubt to avoid lawsuits ). I know that many people out there have had great results using MSP... Ultimately I can only speak for myself: I won't use it. I had one report from a website visitor that used a highly concentrated MSP at two droppers full in the nose. It enduced a headache that wouldn't go away ( at the report date it was two weeks ). The user was concerned because he/she used a double dose, since the bottle said use one dropperful daily. He/she only used it for one day, then threw away the bottle. Silver DOES adsorb through the mucus membranes ( if it reaches the membranes ). The attempt was for treatment of a sinus infection... No doubt allergy-enduced. I assume the headache went away eventually. When using MSP via injection, one simply needs to calculate the amount of actual silver being introduced into the body. http://www.silvermedicine.org/conversionform2.html The above form is one method to calculate the actual silver in micrograms being ingested ( as well as perform other aqueous solution calculations ). Although I have had two chemists double check my calculations, it is likely that it is NOT absolutely perfect, but can certainly serve as a general guide to get an idea of the amount of silver being taken in. 5 cc's of 700 PPM colloidal silver injected is about 3.5 milligrams of silver. WAY TOO MUCH to be going DIRECTLY into the body. The maximum ( effective ) amount of "isolated" silver injected into the body in a single dose is likely to be more along the lines of .13 ( that is point one three ) milligrams of silver; and that, certainly not daily. The EPA's critical daily dose for risk of Argyria is 1.09 mg daily, orally. However, there are several challenges when addressing IV use of silver in a non-stabilized form. First off, is the safety of the product used. There are very few products on the market that are certified pyrogen and endotoxin free. Second, is finding a buffer to be used that doesn't degrade the silver, which adjusts the PH level of the silver to an exact level sufficient for titration, to avoid the possiblity of enduced shock. Sterile saline solution is not a good choice. Apparently, there is a difference between creating silver chloride BEFORE a substance enters the bloodstream, and UPON entering the bloodstream ( in terms of ultimate effectiveness against pathogens ). All of these things are simply good to keep in mind when using MSP... If the MSP is being used to treat a lethal and chronic infection, and there is no other viable solution available, it's hard to complain about positive results. There's one last thing I'd like to comment on: The proper way to use colloidal silver via IV is really to use it ORALLY first. It really needs to be used orally to the point there is no herxheimer reaction or other side effects. THEN an IV protocol is started... This saves the individual being treated a WORLD of hurt in rapidly onset side effects - especially when working with conditions such as Hep C or HIV with a highly effective colloidal silver ( this may not be the case with MSP, as MSP is not nearly as effective as its superior counterparts ). Eventually, I'd like to dedicate an entire section on IV use of silver, but thusfar I have not been able to convince those I correspond with that public benefit outweighs the risk to commercial ventures and/or loss of medical licenses. Such situations I have no power over. Kind Regards, Jason ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 7:34 PM Subject: Re: CS>Intravenous CS <<I thought we had all decided that MSP was NOT safe...??.........isn't that what everyone is saying??.......Robb>> What is it about MSP that isn't safe? I must have missed posts, but I don't recall reading any of that. Summer
