Paul: You need to hit the books a bit before levelling accusations.
There are two factors involved in considering particle sizing with colloidal silver. The one that most people are concerned with is large particles through agglomeration. This happens via inferior production methods, mainly losing control of the reaction. The second is large particles, sparklies and flakes and even "dentrites" deposited as metallic silver into CS. In this variety, the end quality, whether high or low, is not directly effected. It is extraordinarily hard to eliminate absolutely all flaking in CS production. Some people choose to use a variety of different filtering methods. Some people don't worry about it. Considering TEM's there are two types of opinions: 1. Those who have seen their own TEM, understand the significance of what they are seeing, understand the limitations, and have learned a great deal thereby. 2. Those who have seen their own TEM, didn't like the looks of it, and have therefore declared it irrelevant. Now, Francis Key is right when saying that AAS is entirely superior for particle sizing. I don't believe he is correct when stating it is useless, as the data I've viewed shows a direct correlation between bacterial efficacy ( in-vitro ) and data derived from TEM analysis. In fact, I clearly remember two scientists from Malvern in disagreement as to how valueable TEM would be for this type of analysis. The value in ANY scientific measurement is in the information gained from analysis, not the information NOT gained. When using the same instrumentation, even if it is only a laser light, and applying the measurements accurately across the board, recording the data, analysing the data, and drawing conclusions based on accurate analysis and comparison, a whole world of relevant data can be explored. In the case of TEM's and silver, I find them extremely revealing, and significant as applied to clinical considerations... I don't think a TEM of a particulate silver should be considered in the same light as a "predominant" CS. I understand Francis' reservations about TEM, especially concerning his own product. I classify Frank's product differently than electro-colloidal silver. Same as I do products made with baking soda.... They are different, and cannot be equally classified with the same analytical tools. If there were 40 types of "particulate" silver out there, then I imagine that TEM would be just as revealing to compare differences. I think that Frank would likely have to grudgingly admit this! Awhile ago, I had a TEM done with a combination of silver and natural bentonite. I also had bacterial comparison work done. The result showed that the colloidal silver was about 15% less effective with the natural clay, as studied with a gram negative pathogen. Rather than not understand what I was seeing and getting all upset, screaming to the world how invalid such work was, I studied the information carefully. My study of the work performed answered some key questions. I published the data as is, with a commentary explaining the action of bentonite. It's like that individual who looked at colloidal silver with blood using darkfield microscopy.... Never understanding the difference between viewing the action of a substance with blood in the body and on a plate... So much ignorance, and no time to address it all. James is right -- simple silver works. He's not correct in assuming that there is no difference. He has no basis to make this claim, and such a claim can bring harm to others. I haven't been studying Trem's silver for that long, and so I certainly don't have any stastically signficant numbers, nor real scientific data beyond my own experience with simple generators and more advanced generators... But my initial work shows that ear infections are reduced more rapidly, and sore throats as well, with alot less silver than I used to use with battery generated CS... Now, one must keep in mind that in my testing, it's either myself I'm testing on or working with those who have already tried allopathic medicine and experienced no results; or have chronic conditions that are never satisfactorily resolved through standard protocols. This is changing with our public outreach program, but in the past, one of my requirements to work with others is that they have already tried the doctor routine. This usually means that there are contributing factors involved... It's not just your average Joe who has a cold... With the ear infection in question, the individual was a small child, and was on a double dose of antibiotics... The pharmacist almost wouldn't fill the Rx script. When I say ear infection, I mean an ear infection that had the child vomiting and thus dehydrated. The infection was brought under control within 24 hours via two 20 minute per ear treatments twice ( a day, in that it was repeated for 3 days ), and the child was at full capacity to play once again in 72 hours. Subsequent medical examination revealed absence of infection. I was furious in this situation. It was a recurrent infection likely irritated by allergies. The challenge is to continue to reach to understand where and why what colloidal silver is effective against what... Rather than take the mediocre way out, and simply not care... And try to be responsible with information to minimize the excuses available for the FDA to attack colloidal silver. In my opinion, of course. Jason ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Ladendorf To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 6:13 PM Subject: Re: CS>Buyer Beware James, When you have the premier manufacturer (Natural Immunogenics) of colloidal silver convince you that particle size is the most CRITICAL factor in determining the effectiveness of a product and then someone else claims that his generator will produce the same particle size as the premier manufacturers product, it is a BIG issue. Paul On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:44:40 -0700, "James Allison" wrote: >Ya know, people are going off because of less than micron differences, and to be blunt, it really ticks me off. Yes, I'm happy that people can get so detailed in their size estimates, but you know what? 3 nine volt batteries connected to two pieces of silver will make small particles, medium particles and LARGE particles, and you know what? The silver made that way will work! I get testimonials every other day from people saying how colloidal silver made the above way has cured them of this and that (lyme, various types of cancer, cold sores, fevers, warts, chicken pox, the list goes on and on). So for all you people who are reading the hemming and hawing about getting your particle size exactly this size and that size, I say to you, don't worry about it! In fact, I will go further and say that it is my sincere belief that one needs to have a full range of particle sizes in order to at! tack various sized pathogens! If one is limiting their particle size, then logically! , one is >limiting the pathogens that will be affected. There's nothing scientific about my opinion, it's just common sense (again, in my opinion). Sorry for the rant, but every once in awhile I just feel I need to jump in and speak up for us simple folk ;) > >Yours in health, >James Allison -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. 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