Just a little comment here that I constantly think about.  Taste has been
the argument used by the modern growers as a reason they do much of what
they do.  But taste has been what has made much of our current produce have
up to 14 times as much sugar than 100 years ago.  If taste was a good
indicator of quality then sugar laden foods (candy, donuts, etc.) would be
good for us.  It is a trap that I try to not let myself fall into.  Tastes
can be changed and are drastically different in different
cultures/countries.  When I began my search for better guality (translated
to more vitamins, minerals, less chemicals, etc.) it was amazing how quickly
I learned to like something I previously did not like.  My priorities have
changed.  Much of what we think of as tasting good comes from the marketing
that we are force fed on a daily basis.

As a child, we ate very large amounts of sugar.  As a young adult, having to
pay for my own groceries, I VERY quickly came to dislike sugar laden foods
when I figured out how expensive they are.  It took just one trip to the
grocery store in my very first apartment to break that habit, and to this
day it is hardly a blip on my radar screen (20 years later).

Just like someone who turns vegetarian after growing up a meat eater, taste
drastically changes, based on moral, ethical or health reasons.

Many of the vitamins/minerals etc that I am trying to add to my diet I have
found out make food bitter.  But, because I want them, I am learning to like
them, and can tell if they are missing in my food if some things are too
sweet.

Just a thought.

Thora

-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Fugitt [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 8:37 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: CS>soil minerals


Evening Garnet,

>Exactly my point. You can not confirm the data so you really have no
>information at all. It is not inconceivable that there is a hidden
>agenda.

     I tend to agree with you.  If it was as bad as everyone says, we would
all be dead by now.

     I have lots of evidence to indicate my produce may in fact still have
some valuable minerals contained therein.

      Typically, taste, texture, appearance and vigor of a plant tells you
it is healthy.

      When an 80 year old farmer, who has grown tomatoes for 50 + years,
tell me "these are the best tomatoes I have eaten in my lifetime", I have
to pay attention.

      He also said that about my watermelon and my corn this past year.  My
soil is not the worst, plus I am using a scientific blend or "man chelated"
nutrients.   The only mineral that cannot be chelated easily is boron.

      I have grown sweet corn ten feet tall.  Normally this variety gets
only 5, 6 or maybe 7 feet tall.

      Cherry tomatoes have clusters that fork 5 times with near 50 tomatoes
on a single cluster.
http://www.fugitt.com/chertom.htm  If you look close, you can see the forks
in the clusters.

      Full size tomatoes  set the fruit clusters very close together, 3 to
4 inches, with 8 to 11 tomatoes per cluster.   I had one situation with
full sized clusters less than one inch apart.  As the cluster reached
maturity, you could not get the finger between these clusters.

      I grow cantaloupes so sweet and full of flavor, they actually pump
white sugar out around the stems.

      The okra is so good I eat it raw.  Squash has better flavor than any
you find.

      Of course feeding liquid nutrients each hour makes soil obsolete.

      This is all with "man chelated" nutrients.

      My goal one day is to grow a tall tomato plant.  Some have produced
37 feet of main stem in one years growth.  Not many people know a tomato
plant will live for several years.  I am sure I can hit 60 to 70 feet if
that is my goal.

     A small plot of corn  http://www.fugitt.com/corn_2.htm

     This is a home built measuring
device.  http://www.fugitt.com/tipspon1.htm  Made from a plastic spoon and
1 optical sensor, I was able to get 1/6th ounce resolution.  An event
counter kept track of the tips per time.  I wrote the software to run this
system.  It does full data logging of all events and data.

  I was also logging EC of the leachate over 24 hours.  You could see the
EC change when temperatures were highest and sunlight the brightest.  This
is when the plants remove the most nutrients from the liquid nutrient
solution.

   I grow plants in soil, pine bark, mixed media, and hay bales.  I have
not tried growing them in AIR yet, but that is possible also.

    Sorry I got off subject, not all this is about "soil minerals".

    Some of the older log files exist here....
http://www.fugitt.com/wfipnow.htm  Also some moon light data logging I got
during an eclipse.   This complete web page is the output of a program I
wrote that embedded the data from my system into the web page and
automatically sent it to my web site.

    Tons of fun, to say the least.

    Wayne







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