Jack Dayton wrote: > ... > THE DRUG COMPANIES CAN USE ANYTHING THEY > WANT FOR THE PALCEBO. > > Even aspertame ? :-) > > Jack > > Be Nice
Of course, that one would be a sure bet almost without even looking. But I found some references anyway. http://befreetech.com/aspartame.htm and http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/article/id992/pg3/ Glutamate researchers used aspartame as a placebo in studies so they could say MSG wouldn't react anymore than the placebo. MSG is also an excitotoxin, as discussed in Dr. Blaylock's book Excitotoxins. In l993 Jack Samuels, President of the Truth in Labeling Campaign, was reviewing FDA docket files relating to an FDA study on the safety of amino acids in supplements. In the files, he found a letter dated March 22, l991, from Andrew G. Ebert, PhD, Chairman, International Glutamate Technical Committee-a glutamate industry organization-in which Ebert admitted that aspartame had been used since at least l978 in test and placebo materials that his organization provided to scientists who study the safety of MSG.. http://befreetech.com/aspartame.htm and http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/article/id992/pg3/ A review of studies conducted with the above-referenced test material clearly indicates that some subjects reacted to both SG test material and placebo material. Scientists conducting such studies concluded that since subjects reacted to both MSG and placebos, their reactions were not from MSG. Even though such logic is highly questionable, we now know that subjects reacted to placebos because of the presence of aspartame, an additive that causes MSG-type responses in MSG-sensitive people. Because of the disclosure of the use of aspartame in placebo material by Jack Samuels, the Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology, in its July l995 report on the safety of MSG in food, concluded that the use of aspartame in placebo materials was inappropriate. http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/article/id992/pg3/ (My comments on this site below) And of course toxic placebos are used for tests for aspartame. Normally when a placebo is given an improvement is expected, but when they test them against poisons such as aspartame, then for some odd reason the placebo effect suddenly turns negative! For instance take a look at http://www.mindfully.org/Health/Aspartame-Adverse-Reactions-1993.htm where a placebo was used as the control for testing aspartame. Here you will see that the placebo group of non-depressed volunteers had a 80% increase in headaches, compared with only a 20% increase for aspertame, and a 40% increase in dizziness VS a 0% increase for aspertame. That is why you can find some doctors saying that aspertame actually helps such conditions, because aspertame was less toxic than the placebo! When a doctor was asked about this he replied: http://yarchive.net/med/placebo_column.html I suppose you know this is complete nonsense without being blinded? If you will look in your PDR, you will see long lists of nasty side effects, along with frequencies reported, in the PLACEBO column for every single drug that has ever been tested alongside a placebo. Does that tell you anything? (My comment, Yeh, that the placebo is being tailored to duplicate the side effects of the drug that it is being tested against, DUH!) Opening my PDR at random, for instance, I see a study of prosom, a sleeping pill. The placebo group complained of headache, asthenia, malaise, lower extremity pain, back pain, body pain, abdominal pain, chest pain, nausea, dyspnia, somnolence (27%, surprise), hypokinesia, nervousness, dizziness, coordination problems, hangover, depression, abnormal dreams and thinking, cold symptoms and pharyngitis. I get the impression that if the list of questions had been longer, the list of bad side effects would have been longer. Note also the interesting fact that by far the biggest effect was the intended one. People are VERY suggestable. ---------------- So, he is saying that the placebo group is reacting to suggestability. But the placebo group is not suppose to know ANYTHING about side effects! In fact even the researchers are not suppose to know the side effects before the tests are run! So how could it be a suggestability issue? Fact is, it can't, instead that is the BS fed to the doctors by the drug companies and the doctors swallow it hook, line and sinker! Remarkably suicide is even found to be a side effect of the placebo used when testing prozac! http://www.prozactruth.com/ssri_research.htm BTW I remember where I first heard of this issue about the placebos being tailored to the side effects of the medicine. It was the 60 minutes or 20/20 new show. Anyway, the theory on that is that if a medicine causes a side effect, then the group taking the medicine will be able to tell the medicine from the placebo, so to make the placebo be indinguishable, the side effects are duplicated as much as possible with toxins in the placebo. This does make some sense when the test is for whether the drug works or not. But what is way wrong is when the side effects are reported, they are reported against the very placebo that had been tailored for those side effects. And of cousrse it is utter nonsense to use a placebo that has been tailored for the side effects whent testing a food additive and the placebo has been tailored to have the same side effects. This is the FDA definition of placebo: placebo: Inactive agent without therapeutic value used in controlled studies to determine the efficacy of the potential therapeutic agent against which it is being compared. The placebo is made to look exactly like the therapeutic agent. So as long as any toxins added to a placebo do not have a theraeutic effect, the FDA is satisfied that it is a valid placebo. The word look can be expanded to include taste, feel, smell, and of course the side effects as well. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. 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