Just to give some idea of how complex this topic is, and how important:
In Japan several years ago, a number of children died from e-coli
O-157. The cause of infection was never determined with certainty;
some even suspected that the cult AUM Shinrikyo had poisoned water
tanks on apartment roofs, as all the infected persons supposedly lived
in such complexes. For our purposes though, the important point was
the some doctors evidently erred in attacking the bacteria either too
aggressively or too late; it was evidently toxins released from the
body of the dead bacteria that took the lives of the children.
I am not a doctor so I can not even speculate about all the
implications and ramifications for CS users. Perhaps someone else
can advise us.
JBB
On Friday, Nov 5, 2004, at 23:51 Asia/Tokyo, Garnet wrote:
In the interest of semantics -- not all the "die off" products of
pathogens are toxins. Toxins are injurious to health. But not all
detritus / debris from dying or dead pathogens are injurious, however
they do present a load that the system must remove.
It may serve to be specific that these "bread down products" are not
ALL
toxins, in that the term toxin can cause unwarranted fear and we all
know about the placebo effect.
While detritus can cause a herxheimer, initially defined by Karl
Herxheimer, a German dermatologist 1861 - 1942, caused by the release
of
protein antigens after treatment for syphyllis and causing an allergic
reaction, not all detritus causes an adverse reaction.
Break down products or "detritus" imply the need to clear the material
but does not imply the same level of possible toxic reaction. Perhaps
this will reduce the fear some people have of using CS, in the early
stages of their exploration of its use, and will serve to encourage
them
to address the need to clear the detritus by appropriate means. Be it
drinking large amounts of pure water, acidifying, blood purifiers,
liver
and kidney support and cleanses etc.
A good discussion of the many methods for aiding the body in clearing
the detritus AND toxins of pathogen die off would be a great addition
to
this list.
Garnet
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Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction
A transient inflammatory reaction following treatment with Salvarsan,
mercury, or antibiotics of early and later stages of syphilis.
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Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction
Also known as:
Herxheimer's reaction
Associated persons:
Karl Herxheimer
Adolf Jarisch
Description:
A transient inflammatory reaction following treatment with Salvarsan,
mercury, or antibiotics of early and later stages of syphilis. It is
seen in 50% of patients with primary syphilis and about 90% of patients
with secondary syphilis. Also seen in other diseases, such as
borreliosis, brucellosis, typhoid fever, and trichinellosis. It is
manifested by fever, chills, headache, myalgias, and exacerbation of
cutaneous lesions. Duration is normally only a few hours. The intensity
of the reaction reflects the intensity of inflammation present.
Herxheimer observed his reaction on patients he had treated with
mercury.
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http://dictionary.reference.com
Toxin - A poisonous substance, especially a protein, that is produced
by
living cells or organisms and is capable of causing disease when
introduced into the body tissues but is often also capable of inducing
neutralizing antibodies or antitoxins.
Detritus - Loose fragments or grains that have been worn away from
rock.
a. Disintegrated or eroded matter: the detritus of past
civilizations.
b. Accumulated material; debris:
On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 04:27, [email protected] wrote:
In a message dated 11/4/04 5:02:30 PM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
The thing I worry about is not
the silver doing damage but the neuro toxins produced on the die-off
doing
the damage. Slow recovery is better than a fast one if you are
going to
cause a large die-off and maybe brain damage due to large neuro
toxins
produced by the die-off of the bacteria.
Hi Dave. We do see this in the horses being treated for EPM with CS
-- a die-off of the protozoa being dumped into the bloodstream, which
you could consider neuro toxins since the protozoa inhabit
neurological cells -- so they get worse before they get better. But
it doesn't result in brain damage - in fact the horses that have
cerebral lesions invariably get better too. But I agree with you --
slow recovery is better than a fast one, particularly if you're not
dealing with a life-threatening situation. Frequently, with the
horses, we ARE dealing with a life-threatening situation -- well,
ultimately all EPM horses are life-threatened -- and we don't need to
be being conservative. Just thought you might be a little bit
comforted by the fact that brain damage just isn't part of the
package. MA
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