----- Original Message ----- 
From: Matthew McCann 
To: Ode Coyote 
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: CS>CS and "floaties"


Hi, Ode,

I didn't write much about the polarization of the light
scattered by the Tyndall Effect. It may just be a
curiousity. On the other hand, it may  be a way to
break apart TE into a concentration factor and a
particle size factor.

If you view the TE with a polaroid film (e.g. polaroid
sunglasses)  a vertical laser beam and a horizontal
laser beam may appear quite different, even though
they are generated by the same laser pointer.
This is what optical theory predicts. I haven't tried it
because I don't own any polaroid sunglasses.

Matthew
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ode Coyote 
  To: Matthew McCann 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 6:14 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>CS and "floaties"


  I missed the polarized part.

  Ode

  At 10:31 AM 12/7/2004 -0500, you wrote: 
  >>>>


    Right, lasers would not show iridescence. Detecting interference would have 
to be by a measurement,
    not an immediate perception by unaided eyes.
    This might be a major R&D undertaking, though
    still possibily within the means of some home
    experimenters.


      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: <mailto:[email protected]>Ode Coyote 
      To: <mailto:[email protected]>Matthew McCann 
      Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 10:12 AM
      Subject: Re: CS>CS and "floaties"

      Probably so, but irridescence by eye depends on broad spectrum light to 
be split up into colors and lasers don't have it.
      I doubt 'I' could see the pattern better with a laser. [Hey, I'll try it] 
Magnifying glass maybe.
      Two different colored lasers probably could do a bang up job so long as 
my eyes aren't involved.


      Ode

      At 09:46 AM 12/7/2004 -0500, you wrote: 
      >>>>


        Hi, Ode,

        An 1/8 floatie can produce a very good reflection of
        the beam of a laser pointer. Even if interference is
        not noticeable to the naked eye (i.e. iridescence)
        it may be measureable using a laser pointer at
        various glancing angles. At glancing angles there
        should be optical polarization effects too.
        Incidentally, I think the Tyndall Effect scattering
        of light produces polarized light too.

        Matthew

          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: <mailto:[email protected]>Ode Coyote 
          To: <mailto:[email protected]>Matthew McCann 
          Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 6:08 AM
          Subject: Re: CS>CS and "floaties"


          I don't think my eyes go that small..I don't recall seeing one on a 
quarter inch oil slick either.
          I'll start paying attention.

          Ode


          At 07:34 AM 12/6/2004 -0500, you wrote: 
          >>>>


            If floaties are metallic silver monomolecular films on the
            air-liquid interface, and if they exhibit interference fringes
            (like oil slicks do), it may then be possible to measure the
            average thickness of the particles. Two laser diode
            wavelengths would give two independent ways of measuring
            the layer thickness. Has anybody noticed interference
            fringes on the floaties?

            Matthew


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