I totally agree with both of Larry's cents.  Items 1) and 2) as Larry 
described them would work very well for my applications.

- John



Larry Kluger wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I like David's slim scrollbar, I think it's more attractive than the 
> usual windows toolbar.
> I also agree with David's point that a standard window toolbar may 
> influence people away from realizing that they can scroll a Timeline 
> along the time axis.
>
> My 2 cents on the issue are:
> 1) The scrollbar should always be visible if there are more events 
> than can be shown on the available tracks. It should be usable as a 
> handle for moving the Timeline since its affordance is to act as a handle.
> (Affordance is a UI term. An object's affordance is the behavior that 
> we expect from an object, given its appearance and context.)
>
> 2) I think the bouncing off the top and bottom of the band effect is 
> great for when the touch gesture is used on an iPhone, iTouch, or some 
> of the newer Macs. But having it occur as the result of a 
> mouse-interaction doesn't feel right to me. I'd appreciate some way to 
> turn that behavior off and I don't recommend it as a default (except 
> when the browser has a touch interface).
>
> Note that Timeline works pretty well out of the box on the iTouch. 
> Enabling the Timeline to be scrolled vertically really solves one of 
> the few problems with Timeline on an iPhone etc. The only other issue 
> is to change the bubbles' show/hide UI when used with an iPhone. 
> That's on my list.
>
> Regards,
>
> Larry
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* David Huynh <[email protected]>
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2009 12:17:24 AM
> *Subject:* Re: dragging vertically in timelines
>
>
> David Karger wrote:
> > you mean use a native vertical scrollbar?  That would seem to create a
> > "mixed metaphor" ui;
> That was one of the reasons I didn't want to use a native vertical
> scrollbar.
>
> > i am guessing you can come up with a better
> > consistent metaphor. It took me quite a while to notice the vertical
> > scrollbar, and I'm puzzled why it is "read only".
> > 
> The intention is that it's only an indicator, and the body of the band
> is the interactor.
>
> I think people ain't used to scrolling horizontally as much, so if
> vertical scrolling were any more emphasized than it is, then that might
> totally inhibit any hint that horizontal scrolling is possible. (A
> native vertical scrollbar would really emphasize vertical scrolling.)
> But I could be wrong.
>
> > farfetched, but what if you made the timeline into a "barrel" that
> > rolled away at the top and bottom (images shrinking) to indicate there
> > is more present?
> > 
> "Barrel" like this?
>     http://z.about.com/d/ipod/1/0/e/3/-/-/iphone_gallery_10.jpg
> I can add some gradients.
>
> David
>
>
>
>
> >

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