On 08/02/02 at 15:02, Thomas Tempelmann wrote:
> Global Homes Webmaster wrote:
>
> >In my experience, force-quitting a Classic app (using
> >command-option-esc) also force-quits the Classic Environment,
> >causing whatever collateral damage that might entail to any other
> >Classic apps that may also be running at the time. I wouldn't think
> >it would be a good strategy to use routinely for stopping
> >mis-behaving applications.
>
> In my experience, when SIMS freezes, it actually does NOT cause
> the rest of the classic apps to break.
I didn't say SIMS freezing would cause the other apps to break. It's
force-quitting SIMS with the OS X force-quit mechanism (`kill -15' to the
TruBluEnvironment process, as someone else pointed out) that will cause the
Classic Environment to also be force-quit, which has the unfortunate
side-effect of the trashing other Classic apps.
> So, let me do it my way and play it a little more safe, which is by
> force-quitting the troubled app, then shutting down the rest safely.
That is, of course, the preferred approach, no dispute.
> As I said - should that fail, too, I'd force restart the entire thing.
>
> >> Now all I have to figure out is how to force-restart a Classic app.
> >
> >I don't think you can do that with individual Classic apps.
>
> Of course I can!
You can, eh? Then what's the question, again?
> E.g, I could install a interrupt-driven hook that would call
> ExitToShell at the right time. That's exactly how a app is force-quit
> under older Systems when you press Cmd-Alt-Esc.
But older Mac systems don't run as an emulation on top of an entirely
different operating system. It seems that your problem boils down to how to
get OS X to pass an ExitToShell or similar into the Classic Environment. If
you can figure out how to do that or something like it, you're home free.
Again, though, I'm not sure you can, at least not easily. One would think
that if there were a way to do it, Apple would have already built an
appropriate control for it into the Force-Quit palette or the Classic
preferences panel or both. Unless leaving it out is one more subtle way to
encourage people to migrate away from Classic apps.
> >On a broader note, running SIMS in Classic under OS X is not supported,
> >so it's really a kludge to begin with and I, for one, wouldn't feel
> >comfortable doing it for any sort of mission-critical installation.
>
> Well, if you don't like it you don't have to do it. I am not forcing
> to follow me, do I? I want this solved my way, and all I ask is for
> help on solving it, not for being told that you do not like my attempt,
> and I am old enough to make such decisions on my own, thank you. :)
>
> Unless, of course, you would have insights on why running SIMS and
> force-quitting it could be of further harm to humankind, in which case
> I'm willing to consider your concerns :)
>
> After all, I am using SIMS here on my OS X machine, and it works good
> enough for me to be happy with it.
Hey, dial it back just a bit, eh? I'm just trying to be helpful, responding
to your question and offereing an opinion as a fellow SIMS user and list
member. My intent is always to be respectful and polite, and I apologize if
you read anything else into my remarks. This list is all about friendly
cooperation among the community of SIMS users, after all. Of course you can
do whatever you please with your own system and I would never think to say
otherwise. There's no question of my either liking or disliking how you
choose to run things on your own machine. In fact, I don't particularly
care one way or the other. I'm only offering an opinion that you might need
to be prepared to concede that your problem may not be solvable 'your way,'
and that there just might be other alternatives.
> > Better to either run SIMS on its own older, inexpensive OS 8/9
> > machine or,
>
> I did that before, and that gave me other problems which I could only
> solve by running it all on the same machine now.
>
> >if you need to run your mail server on an OS X box, use something
> >that's *nix/OS X native instead of SIMS.
>
> If there were a simple migration path that does not require me to
> spend many hours learning how to do it, and can do it without a
> trade-off, yes, I'd do it.
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