My take is that we were talking about an implicit "start" and "end"
based
on the life of the INVITE dialog usage.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Kyzivat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 14:35
> To: Christer Holmberg
> Cc: Michael Procter; Dean Willis; Audet, Francois 
> (SC100:3055); IETF SIP List
> Subject: Re: [Sip] Francois' counter to INFO (was Re: What 
> are we arguing aboutwhen we say INFO?)
> 
> 
> 
> Christer Holmberg wrote:
> 
> > I haven't thought about this proposal in detail yet, but we 
> would also 
> > need to take the the dialog-reuse spec (which proposes NOT to mix 
> > dialog
> > usages) into consideration. But, if we somehow could bind the 
> > subscription lifetime to the dialog lifetime I think that at least 
> > some of the issues in that spec would be solved.
> 
> The lifetime of a dialog isn't an independent variable - it 
> ends when the last dialog usage ends.
> 
> If you are really talking about implicit *subscriptions*, 
> then you either must explicitly end them, or else define 
> their *implicit* end in terms of something that has an 
> explicit endpoint.
> 
> I expect that you are talking about something that either 
> shares the invite dialog usage, or else a distinct dialog 
> usage that implicitly starts and stops concurrently with the 
> invite dialog usage.
> 
>       Paul
> 


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