I have to admit this was too complicated for me too understand. So basically
UAC advertises downstream its semi-transport-level keep-alive capability 
(CRLF/STUN)
by the way of app-level negotitation (reg-id), the downstream entity (say
a proxy-based load-balancer) signals its support for it by adding PATH/ob,
and the registrar UAS signals load-balancer's support by Require:outbound?

So specifically if the registrar doesn't turn PATH/ob into 200/Require/outbound,
client shall not do ping-pong keep-alive to its load-balancer?

If that's what it is, I understood the point now. 

Can someone explain to me what is the benefit of mixing transport-level natping
functionality with application-level capabilty negotiation? My appologies if 
this
has been discussed in past years of outbound, but it is really hard to 
understand
for me. 

Thanks!

-jiri


At 19:04 06/03/2008, Dean Willis wrote:

>I think we had a stale address for Jiri on this thread.
>
>He's been using [EMAIL PROTECTED] recently, and I'm getting no DNS hit on
>fokus.
>
>
>
>Dean Willis wrote:
>> 
>> On Mar 5, 2008, at 7:00 PM, Francois Audet wrote:
>> 
>>> Jiri,
>>>
>>> On p.15 it is explained that the UAC looks at the presence of
>>> the Require: outbound field falue in a response to registration.
>> 
>>> This is to ensure that both the registrar and the edge proxy are
>>> compliant with this spec. The keep-alive would only be sent if
>>> present.
>>>
>> 
>> I'm going to have to go study this, because ordinarily Require has
>> nothing to do with the edge proxy (which would have been only looking at
>> Proxy-Require), and it's pretty much meaningless in responses anyhow --
>> it's only processed in requests AFAIK.
>> 
>> I think we're trying to catch fish with a bullet again.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Dean
>> 



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