Surely you don't think SIP deployments today don't support NAT traversal for 
clients, or that they need outbound to do so?

But anyway, here's one way (for UDP): client sends Register or Options to 
proxy, including the rport Via param (rfc3581).  Servers sets the 
received/rport params in response. Client sees received and rport params in 
response, and uses the address/port for its Contact for a new Register.  Client 
also sets keep param, and server responds, so that client can use STUN to keep 
the NAT binding open.

-hadriel


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Francois Audet
> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 2:15 PM
> To: Dean Willis; Christer Holmberg
> Cc: [email protected]; Rohan Mahy; Xavier Marjou; Cullen Jennings
> Subject: Re: [Sip] Outbound-12: STUN keep-alives without outbound
>
> Can someone explain to me just how you can make Keep-Alives work without
> the rest of outbound????
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dean Willis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 13:34
> > To: Christer Holmberg
> > Cc: Rohan Mahy; [email protected]; Cullen Jennings; Audet,
> > Francois (SC100:3055); Xavier Marjou
> > Subject: Re: [Sip] Outbound-12: STUN keep-alives without outbound
> >
> >
> > On Mar 7, 2008, at 12:59 PM, Christer Holmberg wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi Rohan,
> > >
> > >> The edge proxy is only supposed to add the ob parameter to
> > the Path
> > >> if the edge proxy included a flow token in the path URI.
> > This should
> > >> only happen when the UA included a reg-id and instance-id
> > parameter
> > >> in its Contact header.
> > >
> > > Correct. But, the point is that the UA would then still be
> > "allowed"
> > > to
> > > use STUN keep-alive between itself and the outbound proxy,
> > even if the
> > > registrar doesn't support outbound.
> >
> > So I think you're saying that we've gotten the decision as to
> > whether to use keepalive between the UA and the edge proxy
> > tangled up with whether or not we use the outbound-style
> > persistent binding at the registrar?
> >
> > Perhaps if the keepalive negotiation were independent of
> > outbound, it would work better for you.
> >
> > --
> > Dean
> >
> >
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