Here is something which is incredibly simple to do (which I consider a feature):
send TCP keep-alives (sorry about OSs that can't configure those) and STUN-UDP.
That's it and it works for many apps and it does not take the multi-hop 
multi-layer interaction. Remove it from outbound and get outbound finished.
Keep stuff simple and separated (i.e. do keep-alive with the entity terminating
TCP connection or UDP flow, which is what is in question; don't interact with
outbound proxies, registrars, or even worse all of them).

-jiri

At 20:14 08/03/2008, Francois Audet wrote:
>Can someone explain to me just how you can make Keep-Alives work without
>the rest of outbound????
>
> 
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dean Willis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 13:34
>> To: Christer Holmberg
>> Cc: Rohan Mahy; [email protected]; Cullen Jennings; Audet, 
>> Francois (SC100:3055); Xavier Marjou
>> Subject: Re: [Sip] Outbound-12: STUN keep-alives without outbound
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 7, 2008, at 12:59 PM, Christer Holmberg wrote:
>> 
>> >
>> > Hi Rohan,
>> >
>> >> The edge proxy is only supposed to add the ob parameter to 
>> the Path 
>> >> if the edge proxy included a flow token in the path URI.  
>> This should 
>> >> only happen when the UA included a reg-id and instance-id 
>> parameter 
>> >> in its Contact header.
>> >
>> > Correct. But, the point is that the UA would then still be 
>> "allowed"  
>> > to
>> > use STUN keep-alive between itself and the outbound proxy, 
>> even if the 
>> > registrar doesn't support outbound.
>> 
>> So I think you're saying that we've gotten the decision as to 
>> whether to use keepalive between the UA and the edge proxy 
>> tangled up with whether or not we use the outbound-style 
>> persistent binding at the registrar?
>> 
>> Perhaps if the keepalive negotiation were independent of 
>> outbound, it would work better for you.
>> 
>> --
>> Dean
>> 
>> 
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