Hi Philippe
I did like the look of CSipSImple. Two things it is missing that
we need are G729 and the ability to transfer calls. Otherwise I
would definitely say it would be my choice in SIP client.
And yes, I wish I could do away with G729 but we have very limited Internet bandwidth where we
are. Hmmm... maybe a proxy for outbound calls via our ITSP that
transcoded G711 to G729... but that would be another topic
entirely.
Andrew
On 8/05/12 8:17 PM, Philippe Laurent wrote:
After this discussion a few weeks ago, I purchased
several Galaxy Player 4 units for testing, each loaded with the
CSipSimple software. We've been so pleased with their performance
that we've added these to our arsenal, as their noise handling,
service time (> 8 hours), and integration with a maintenance
web app that I rolled into an Android App shell were excellent.
Combine this with an app that jails all but a few apps on the
phone, and you have a great kiosk phone that strips music and
other 'features' we don't need or want.
CSipSimple has advanced features (the advanced menu has to be
activated) that addresses wifi sleep modes and a dozen other
items (including mic and audio boost).
Philippe
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 5:39 AM, Michael Picher <[email protected]>
wrote:
Well, if cost is no option, and at this point you've blown 2
weeks... bite the bullet and get some Polycom 8440's.
Heavy duty and they have the Polycom SIP firmware that is
known to work well.
Bria should have a setting for WiFi keepalive. I thought
csipsimple also had such a setting...
Battery will be your issue with ANY wifi device. This
is why SIP DECT phones exist.
Mike
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:14
AM, Andrew Radke <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hi all,
I've being working with this now for about
two weeks with some good and bad and mixed
results. This email will hopefully be a
summary of where I have gotten too and also a
request for suggestions and experiences from
others.
So the short summary would be that they
very work well when the Android OS doesn't put
the wireless to sleep.
The longer version is that the problem is
divided into two parts: maintaining the
wireless connection and the SIP soft phone.
Wireless:
- The biggest problem I have encountered
is keeping the wireless alive and
connected. Android itself constantly wants
to shut it down to save battery and it has
to stay on. The Wifi Fixer app (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.wahtod.wififixer)
possibly helps with this but then I've
found that Android itself seems to have a
bugs connecting reliably to WPA enterprise
access points. I am in the process of
testing now with a WPA2-Personal setup
using multi-SSID capable WAPs to see if
they work better this way. Any suggestions
would be greatly appreciated.
- I've also found it can take a very long
time to switch WAPs but I think that is
because our environment is almost too good
and you can still get a very marginal
signal from one access point when it
should've long ago switched to a closer
one.
Softphone apps:
- Acrobits Groundwire has the most
reliable and functional client but
attended transferring is a massive pain.
- Bria has the simplest interface for
transferring but has a few (minor)
interface stupidities and some major
idiocies. If it looses a connection to
sipX (from the wireless being unavailable
temporarily) it throws up an error and
doesn't reregister until you notice and
clear it. Basically this makes it totally
unreliable and useless as a softphone.
Also it's setting for keeping the wireless
active doesn't seem to do anything.
Hardware:
So far we've tested on two units purchased
as prepaid phones but without the SIM card
inserted.
- Samsung Galaxy Y (AU $129) is terrible
as a regular phone and worse as anything
else. It probably won't even be usable as
a test unit later and will be thrown in
the rubbish.
- LG Optimus Spirit (AU $99 and available
at $49.50 for a while) is very very nice.
Speaker phone doesn't work but everything
else makes this a steal.
Andrew
Radke
Yuruga Nursery Pty Ltd
Clonal Solutions Australia Pty Ltd
PO Box 220
Walkamin Qld 4872
Phone: (07) 4093 3826
Fax: (07) 4093 3869
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.yuruga.com.au
On 18/04/2012, at 9:30 PM, Philippe
Laurent wrote:
Curious about the
Galaxy Player, can it be used as a
handset, or is it speakerphone only or
bluetooth required?
Regarding iPhone apps, we tried
Acrobits SIP and Acrobits Groundwire
(a few more biz features such as
transferring), both are polished apps
and worked very well. As Tony pointed
out, battery life suffers (figure on
less than a day's charge), and your
quality experience will rely strongly
on your wifi deployment. The ability
to have a device that allows you to
work with business apps as well as
communication (email, voice, txt) is
priceless, but in the end we did not
deploy this type of technology due to
our high noise environment, large
glass in a fairly tough environment,
and the need to have devices with
battery life that could extend beyond
two shifts (16 hours).
We chose the KIRK line because of
excellent battery life, excellent
(almost scary) signal penetration in
our factory environment, abuse
survivability, and the ability to send
targeted alerts to the phones
(maintenance alerts, etc) with the
6000 server and 6020 phones, which
replaced lost functionality that the
iOS/Android platform would have
delivered primarily.
Your scenario seems to be
different, and the iOS/Android choice
may be a truly tenable solution, given
the deployment of a high quality wifi
environment.
Philippe
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:00 AM,
Tony Graziano <[email protected]>
wrote:
In your case I would test coverage
with "any" app, besides
counterpath, you can try the free
3cx (Android and iOS) app and
others. The biggest thing you will
find with wifi -- battery
life/talktime (especially when
received wifi signals are weak),
don't hold up nearly as long as
DECT. So your wifi deployment,
coverage has a lot to do with
battery life and talktime.
On
Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 1:01
AM, Andrew Radke <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hi Tony,
We are looking at
outdoor coverage but
with a lot of trees
and vegetation.
Considering your
response it shows
that things have
changed in recent
years too…
We do also have
large wifi coverage
already and are
constantly increasing
it. In the past it
seemed that wifi was
considered universally
terrible. Has that
changed?
And are there any
good smartphone apps?
I guess it would be
Android rather than
iPhone since it is
possible to get
reasonable Android
handsets cheaply on
prepaid plans and then
don't use the cellular
side at all. But for
those of us with
existing iPhones is
there any recommended
apps?
Regards,
Andrew
Radke
Yuruga Nursery
Pty Ltd
Clonal
Solutions
Australia Pty
Ltd
PO Box 220
Walkamin Qld
4872
Phone: (07)
4093 3826
Fax: (07) 4093
3869
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.yuruga.com.au
On
17/04/2012, at
8:04 PM, Tony
Graziano wrote:
You need to
explain what
kind of
coverage you
need and what
kind of
wireless
infrastructure
you have (if
any).
Snom makes a
dect phone
which also has
wireless
repeaters and
should work
fine. The
battery life
and talk time
is very good
and does not
interfere with
wifi at all.
If you have a
wifi
infrastructure
you could opt
for an app on
a smartphone.
On
Apr 17, 2012
12:56 AM,
"Andrew Radke"
< [email protected]>
wrote:
Hi
all,
Just a
query to see
what the
current
thoughts are
on cordless
phones.
We
probably need
2-3 phones
fairly soon
that can
transfer
calls. It
would be nice
(but not
immediately
required) to
have the
phones capable
of switching
between
multiple base
stations due
to the
physical area
to be covered.
Of course this
adds a lot to
the price so
may be judged
to be
uneconomical.
I know
this has been
asked before
but a lot can
change with
VoIP phones.
Andrew
Radke
Yuruga Nursery
Pty Ltd
Clonal
Solutions
Australia Pty
Ltd
PO Box 220
Walkamin Qld
4872
Phone: (07)
4093 3826
Fax: (07) 4093
3869
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.yuruga.com.au
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