To all: Basically where I stand:
I have asked a local ISP (whom I am partnered with) to provide bandwidth and the financial support of purchasing the equipment/site rental fee (very low for the high-profile site it is), in exchange for letting me manage the network, and do all of the customer installations (hence this is the part will I will get my money's worth in the deal) I need to provide them with a COMPLETE proposal of this whole thing, and right now, this is what I am going to propose to them: (3) SmartBridges AirPoint Pro Outdoor @ $330.00 ea = $990.00 (3) Maxrad 120 degree beamwidth antenna @ $407.52 ea = $1222.56 (3) LMR-400 4ft jumper coax cable @ $24.00 ea = $72.00 (3) Polyphaser 2.4ghz coaxial lightning protectors @ $35.66 ea = $106.98 This isn't including any routing equipment/UPS power protection/rack cabinet, cat5 cable, etc... Has anyone needed to use polyphasers? We use them as a standard where you have 100-300 foot hardline runs, but in this case, it's ethernet cable. But I don't feel like climbing up the 300 foot tower to replace a blown radio either. This brings me to another point, are SB's products reliable enough that I won't need to spend my entire life climbing the tower to fix them or reflash them? Has anyone had to do the dirty and go up to a huge tower and replace them? I plan on mounting the antenna's with a bit of a downtilt, but all at the top of the 300' tower, because I am looking for long-range performance. Any methods for calculating downtilt that work good? I've used my knowledge in the broadcast/radio industry to make my own calculations, and with the use of ComStudy (an excellent program for calculating RF propagation) -- Best regards, Chris Bunting, MCSE President Cellular: 717-278-6639 Nextel ID: 196*50*18726 -------------------------------------------------------- Proxim Certified Reseller & Installer -------------------------------------------------------- Lancaster Networks | Lancaster Towers 1085 Manheim Pike Lancaster PA 17601 www.lancasternetworks.com www.lancastertowers.com -------------------------------------------------------- Friday, July 18, 2003, 12:56:37 AM, you wrote: BF> Return-Path: <> BF> Received: from [66.150.163.162] (HELO m5) BF> by spamarrest.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.3) BF> with ESMTP id 10160550 for cbunting; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 21:56:14 -0700 BF> Received: from part-15.org ([198.63.203.3]) BF> by mail.fission2.com (Merak 5.9.4) with SMTP id CPA74271 BF> for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 00:53:57 -0400 BF> Received: from airrun.net [65.174.66.2] by pdqlink.com with ESMTP BF> (SMTPD32-4.07) id AF0D490146; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 00:01:01 CDT BF> Received: from wsk1-blk.airrun.net ( [192.168.2.10] [EMAIL PROTECTED]) BF> by airrun.net with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 3.75f/96) id E772600 BF> for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:53:09 -0500 BF> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> BF> X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BF> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 BF> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:56:37 -0500 BF> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BF> From: Bill Flood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> BF> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> BF> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> BF> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> BF> Mime-Version: 1.0 BF> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed BF> Subject: Re: Re[2]: [smartBridges] New Firmware BF> Precedence: bulk BF> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BF> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BF> Hey Harry take a hike! A Hotmail address, that's funny! BF> I started with Alvarion and their tech support sucks, they are arrogant and BF> mindless. SmartBridges has allowed me to expand my business way further BF> than I ever could with the products below. I even received tech support BF> calls from Singapore in the early days. I've been installing SB equipment BF> for a year now. Maybe your real problem is not with SmartBridges at all. BF> I see a company trying to develop a product for this industry. The other BF> are just developing a product. BF> Bill BF> At 08:50 PM 7/17/2003 -0700, you wrote: >>Before you make an investment into any product check out the archives and >>see what kinds of problems people are having. >>here's my summary of smartbridges and the future as told with a crystal >>ball. >> >>The problem is the manufacturer didn't really do their homework before >>selling everyone product. Profit first, get them out the door let the isp >>find the problem and we'll find a solution. >> >>I think it's the same as shovel ware in the software market. >> >>At one point in time isp's would only buy radio gear that was proven and >>reliable. >>If a manufacturer had as many problems as smartbridges does most isp's would >>demand heir money back and move on to a different solution. unfortunately >>it's been reported on this list that you can't get your money back. >> >> >>Today's hype of wireless internet access has isp's jumping on the bandwagon >>for cheap affordable gear and caught up in the hype by certain manufacturers >>without any insight into the past. >> >>They choose a product by the sales pitch of the reseller or the hype of an >>email list. >> >>Then after they have made a substantial investment into one particular >>manufacturer's product, they find out it is buggy and like most don't want >>to admit they made a mistake. Whereas they keep working at it and working at >>until they loose the customers or even their reputation, I bet they loose >>their reputation first, customers second and their investment at the same >>time. >>Finally after they figure out that they will never make any money from their >>customers because they have spent so much time fiddling with their equipment >>that they throw in the towel and succumb to just going back to selling >>traditional isp services. >>or all of a sudden cable modems, dsl or even satellite start looking good to >>the customers who figure out that they will have to make extra room in their >>home for the isp wireless technician who keeps coming back over and over >>again to fix the problem and decide maybe they should try dsl by msn or >>roadrunner cable because their wireless isp's equipment is so UNRELIABLE. >> >>Now, it is possible that an isp that wants to do wireless could go with a >>product that costs a little more upfront but doesn't have the problems of >>the new razzle dazzle hyped product. >>A couple of mature seasoned manufacturers who have very few problems and >>cost a little more to purchase, but less to maintain would be, >> >>Alvarion >>Karlnet >>Trango >>Motorola >>Cisco >>Proxim >>Tranzeo >>Raylink >>Teletronics >>Demarctech's reliawave >> >>By the way none of these manufacturer's have this much activity on any of >>their support lists. >> >> >>A good indication to how well the product performs is this email list, read >>the archives. >>a second indication is a new revised firmware upgrade with a specific date >>set before it is ready. >>Now think about this, July 18th we will release our fix. >>huh? >>why not today? >>because it's not finished >>how do you know it will be finished tomorrow if it's not finished today? >>How the heck do they know tomorrow it will be ready if it's not ready today? >>Because they are psychic? >>Do they have a fix in place and they have a very very slow person at the >>keyboard? >>Or is it just buying time before they get the next wave of it's someone >>else's problem? ( remember it's not their fault, it's atmel's fault) >>Guess they didn't test the product for any length of time. >> >> >>Just another isp who was foolish enough to jump on the hype bandwagon and >>spend 20grand on smartbridge products. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Lancaster Networks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: "phantam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 9:01 AM >>Subject: Re[2]: [smartBridges] New Firmware >> >> >> > Hello, >> > >> > Being fairly new to this list, and never buying a product from SB >> > before, what is this problem you speak about, and what products are >> > affected? I want to use SB for a new tower installation, have a 300' >> > tower at my disposal in a highly populated area, and I want to do the >> > install ASAP. >> > >> > Has anyone had problems with the SB equipment, is it something I can >> > buy into and expect good reliability, etc? >> > >> > -- >> > Best regards, >> > Chris Bunting, MCSE >> > President >> > Cellular: 717-278-6639 >> > Nextel ID: 196*50*18726 >> > -------------------------------------------------------- >> > Proxim Certified Reseller & Installer >> > -------------------------------------------------------- >> > Lancaster Networks | Lancaster Towers >> > 1085 Manheim Pike >> > Lancaster PA 17601 >> > www.lancasternetworks.com >> > www.lancastertowers.com >> > -------------------------------------------------------- >>The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List >>To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe >>smartBridges <yournickname> >>To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe >>smartBridges) >>Archives: http://archives.part-15.org BF> Bill Flood BF> AirRunner Networks LLC --- We make the web fast! 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