The strange thing is the way that a power cycle (for me at least) did not appear to correct the issue (when I arrived at the premesis the unit was power cycled twice). Now, I'm aware of the ARP table issue, I have noticed that before (same IP / different MAC causes the AB occasionally to go nuts) so as a precaution I always power cycle before leaving the unit, and use a different reserved administrative IP to check connections. As I say, prior to actually logging into the unit with simplemonitor nothing was happening, as soon as I did a search in simple monitor, logged in, check the link state, logged out - changed IP to a public routable one all was well - worked flawlessly. Now, these are almost exactly the same circumstances under which the other unit failed. We use an ABO connected to another vendors 'bridge' as a cheap backhaul solution for a small number of customers. Now, I was going to replace the existing setup with 2 APO's (with 1.4.9? firmware) because of throughput issue (we currently get about 200Kilobytes/second - but the APO's have shown 550-600Kbyte/s throughput (~5Mbit). Anyway, when we did this we failed (long story - not relevant), but upon fixing back up our existing link - the ABO just would not come up. You could see it from the wireless side, the other vendors equipment reported a perfect association, but no traffic passed. A power cycle failed. Unit comes up - but nothing. Connected the laptop in, booted simplemonitor - logged into the AP, all perfect. Backlinks working again now (touch wood) under old setup. Anyway I hope the last few problems are soon resolved.
Colin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blazen Wireless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Beta 1.0.08 locking up Ethernet anyone else?? > Colin I love the new firmware but your right it has one small bug of some > sort. Did you happen to look at the statistics on the Ethernet when you were > logged into it? I don't know if forcing traffic to it unlocked it but I know > when I logged in via remote it would not pass or allow me to ping the client > PC or router I looked at the logs and the counter for sending was stuck at 1 > ??? yet the receive (client side) was over a meg and incrementing.. > > Next time it happens try it remote and look at the counter it may shed some > light on it. I think it has something to do with the watchdog timer when it > reboots after a certain time it locks it up or does not come back up clean?? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 11:24 AM > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Beta 1.0.08 locking up Ethernet anyone else?? > > > I have just returned from a truck roll to a customer using a ABO with 1.08 > firmware loaded. The apparant symptoms were that the unit stopped passing > traffic from it's ethernet size, although it was still associated perfectly > with the access point. The unit refused to pass any traffic until I fired up > simple monitor, logged in and examined it - after that it worked perfectly. > This is the second time I have seen this effect (the first time I thought it > was fluke) on ABO units. The units just completely fail to pass traffic. > This customer has a 90% signal strength and a 95% signal quality. As soon as > I had logged in, I changed my IP to that of my customer and internet worked > perfectly. He reconnected his PC and all was well - But this problem is > curious and needs resolving. I have only a limited deployment of the 1.08 > firmware, but it's stability seems questionable as this is the second unit > that has failed (out of a total of 5). > > Colin Watson. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Blazen Wireless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:31 PM > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Beta 1.0.08 locking up Ethernet anyone else?? > > > > Derek, > > > > 1. All units had revisions prior to 1.0.08 and most still locked up some > did > > not I left those that did we even swapped hardware to supposed NEW CHIP > > units with 1.0.07 then they too started to still lock up. > > 2. After testing with 1.0.08 on a couple clients (BETA TEST) they seemed > to > > work fine so to further BETA test for SB as asked we loaded it on many > more > > to test even further. > > 3. Now we have a problem with Ethernet locking up reverting to 1.0.07 > fixes > > that but then the units lose association and then a truck roll. > > 4. ALL APPO's have 1.4j.8 Except the couple that are being used as CPE > which > > locked up with older revisions and swapped to new hardware we upgraded > those > > to Beta 14j.9 > > 5. Out of curiosity I tried 1.4j.9 on the AP to see if that had any affect > > and it slowed the association ability on the app down to nothing almost. > > > > > > As far as settings go we have tried MANY various settings in the SB > > equipment and always reverted back to what work's best and ALL units have > > the same settings. > > > > Like I stated before I don't think the people that are having not as many > or > > no problems have the same setups or the demand from the clients as we do. > We > > are also in a hotbed of WISP activity around here that is not helping > > either. Thats why it was suggested MANY MANY MANY times back to have SB > come > > and look at the setups that are still having problems IN the field so that > > they can get real world hands on experience to the problems we are seeing! > > Yet they chose to relay still on a few of use to test the firmware and we > > gave our honest feed back and we are still reporting some things we are > > seeing. > > > > What may work for me does not mean it will work for another person the > > equipment has to be dynamic enough to work in MANY environments and I > think > > SB should focus on the harshest ones such as mine and a few others. If > they > > can make it work here then it should work ANYWHERE.... > > > > Sending stuff to test Joe schmoo at ABC wireless who is in the middle of a > > desert or town that has ZERO noise or any congestion from other providers > or > > having something set up in a clean test room is not the way to stress test > a > > system. YOU HAVE TO GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE SAND TO SEE THE REAL ISSUES > and > > learn how to be able to correct them. It seems that every time there is an > > issue a new firmware bandaid is put out to test and fixes one thing but > has > > an affect on another. The units that are NOT having ANY problems are all > > units manufactured by the old assembly line which I do believe was another > > company why they changed I am sure they had their reasons but things have > > not been the same since.. > > > > I am off my soapbox now. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Derek Breiland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 6:19 AM > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Beta 1.0.08 locking up Ethernet anyone else?? > > > > > > If you are experiencing the problem with the same clients every time I > would > > tend to believe it is a configuration issue - on the client side. If the > > clients are random that you see the problem with then it is either at the > > APO or it could be your observations are correct. What I do know is that > > there are many compnaies out there (many that are members of this site) > that > > have that many clients ruinning that are not seeing that problem. > > > > Why are you not running 1.07 on the client and 1.4j.8 on the AP's? Were > you > > experiencing some other large problem that you needed to upgrade? Beta is > > just that - beta. I do not think anyone should deploy, especially network > > wide, a beta version of firmware. > > > > The big question, is it always the same clients that experience the > problem? > > If you can narrow that down it will tell you where to look. Also, are you > > ruuning the radios to do auto-fallback? If that is the case and the > clients > > you experience trouble with have "lower signals" a lot of the delay of the > > re-association could be the rate negotiation. I firmly believe that this > > setting should be disabled on both sides and all connections forced to > 2Mps > > for stability reasons. I have found that to be the best. Even to drop > back > > to 1 Mps to provide stability is better than a non-working intermittent > > connection. > > > > Also, what level of encryption are you using if any? 128 bit to all > clients > > is pretty intense and as far as I am concerned unneccesary. If a customer > > is doing transactions that are that sensitive to privacy it should be done > > thorugh HTTPS, VPN, or some other means of 128 bit security. I am using > 64 > > bit across the radio link. As a provider it is all about best effort but > > still providing performance because that is what customers want. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Martin Moreno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:29 PM > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Beta 1.0.08 locking up Ethernet anyone else?? > > > > > > > All my clietns are exaclty the same firmware etc. > > > > > > In my personal opinion is that the SB stuff just cant handle the amoutn > of > > > clients and traffic I am passing plain and simple. I need to find > > something > > > that is going to handle the capacity and it is most likely going to be > in > > > another manufacturer and or freq.. I dont have time trouble shoot on a > > daily > > > basis. I have become a real bitch lately and my family and friends and > > workes > > > have all noticed it. This happens when things just dont go right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting Kevin Proctor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > > Are you SURE those clients have the latest firmware in them? As in, I > > > > have physically checked each one? > > > > > > > > What is different about those clients from the ones that work just > fine? > > > > There has to be something different and it is probably in your > > > > configuration. > > > > > > > > You can use SimpleDeploy to dump the settings so you can look at them > > > > side by side. You can also use it to ensure that each and every radio > > > > has the exact same settings before it is ever given to the installer. > > > > > > > > Kevin B. Proctor > > > > Customer Service > > > > Internet and International Orders > > > > Electro Comm Distributing Inc > > > > 5015 Paris St > > > > Denver CO 90239 > > > > USA > > > > > > > > Phone: +1-303-371-8182 > > > > 800-525-0173 > > > > FAX: +1-303-371-8158 > > > > 800-423-8018 > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blazen Wireless > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 7:41 PM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Beta 1.0.08 locking up Ethernet anyone > > > > else?? > > > > > > > > Just realized I didn't have the latest firmware on the APPO's I think > > > > for > > > > god reason I just loaded it on one APPO to test it and it seems the > > > > clients > > > > reasociate but VERY VERY VERY slow one every 10 seconds seems like? > > > > I had 27 now I am down to 18 associated clients and it is hung there?? > I > > > > downgrade back to 1.0.08 and they reasociate in a second or two and I > > > > mean > > > > ALL my clients?? > > > > > > > > Whats causing such a delayed response?? > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "S�mundur Johannsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 4:37 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Beta 1.0.08 locking up Ethernet anyone > > > > else?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > APs problems > > > > > > > > > > Hi ,, I have this problem with my Aps > > > > > > > > > > The costumers simply disconnect from the AP, lets say I have 11 > > > > clients > > > > > connected on one AP. When I look on assosiated window there are only > 7 > > > > on > > > > > the AP, but only when I reset the AP then I get 11 clients back. > This > > > > > problem is randomly on the system and I cant say that I can trust > > > > Smart > > > > > Bridge products because of many software problems, looking into new > AP > > > > > solutions, not Smart Bridges.. :( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have tryed new firmware no result for this problem,,,,, > > > > > > > > > > > > S�mundur Johannsson / eMax Iceland > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Well I had have all the latest firmware on my units. I think if > > > > anything > > > > >> needs to be stress tested it is here in town I think at last count > we > > > > >> had > > > > >> at LEAST 6 WISPS doing battle trying to get a piece of the pie and > I > > > > am > > > > >> NOT going to let the beat me.. I may have to go to 5.7 gear pretty > > > > quick > > > > >> unless I can get this isolated and resolved. I spend ore and more > of > > > > my > > > > >> day taking calls from clients trouble shooting and resting units > etc. > > > > >> Thats all part of our commitment to them especially like today I > > > > don't > > > > >> have to answer my cell phone but I do I care about my clients like > I > > > > >> would > > > > >> have liked my 1st WISP would have done for me but then again thats > > > > why I > > > > >> now have more customers then them and they are really pissed.. > > > > >> > > > > >> I will say it again customer service is CRUCIAL to keeping a wisp > > > > going > > > > >> no > > > > >> matter how tiring it is to you.. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> From: Rudolph Worrell > > > > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 3:30 PM > > > > >> Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Beta 1.0.08 locking up Ethernet > anyone > > > > >> else?? > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Looks like you guys are experiencing what I had a few weeks back > > > > when > > > > >> I > > > > >> lost my whole network and had to reset my APPO every time. > > > > >> > > > > >> I was not using the new firmware though. I also was using an > APPT > > > > in > > > > >> CB > > > > >> mode to feed the APPO. I fixed it by using a separate APPO to link > > > > back > > > > >> to the APPT. I upgraded the firmware to the same version an it > seems > > > > to > > > > >> be fine now. > > > > >> > > > > >> I also was doing changes when my APPO stopped associating with > > > > >> clients. > > > > >> Good Luck! > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Blazen Wireless > > > > >> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 5:16 PM > > > > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Beta 1.0.08 locking up ethernet > > > > anyone > > > > >> else?? > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Something else too now it appears not sure due to the firmware > > > > that > > > > >> some of the units are losing association to the APPO or the APPO is > > > > >> dropping clients I have 28 on this APPO and I have to reset it for > 5 > > > > >> of the clients to reassociate? Its seems to be a little hotter > today > > > > >> again it was cooling off. I would say its about 100% according to > > > > >> local weather forecasts.. Its been showing this symptom now for the > > > > >> past couple of days as it has been hotter.. > > > > >> > > > > >> I wish this was just all a bad dream... > > > > >> > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> From: Bobby Bounds > > > > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 2:38 PM > > > > >> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Beta 1.0.08 locking up ethernet > > > > anyone > > > > >> else?? > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> YES, we have seen this behavior recently........the firmware > is > > > > >> buggy and SB does not seem to know the meaning of regression > > > > >> testing, so they fix one thing only to have it break something > else. > > > > >> We have wasted numerous hours in the last few weeks on installs > > > > >> where signal strength is great but IP traffic won't pass. We > finally > > > > >> get it to work thru what seems to be magic. > > > > >> > > > > >> We have also seen problems on API, APPO and APPI's using the > > > > new > > > > >> firmware where the RSSI at the CPE is 90% but the unit won't > > > > >> associate. I've never seen this before. > > > > >> > > > > >> It sucks to be me. > > > > >> > > > > >> Bobby Bounds > > > > >> Airwave Internet, LLC > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> From: Blazen Wireless > > > > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 11:17 AM > > > > >> Subject: [smartBridges] Beta 1.0.08 locking up ethernet > > > > anyone > > > > >> else?? > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Has anyone else seen this on any of the ABO or ABI units? > > > > >> I have had a few now that have NO more problems with > > > > >> reassociation > > > > >> to the tower yet about 2 -3 times a week the Ethernet TRANSMIT > > > > >> side shuts down as far as the statistics show when you log into > > > > >> the radio. It reports 1 and if you look at the receive side it is > > > > >> in the hundreds of thousands of bytes.. > > > > >> > > > > >> If you simply software reboot the radio it comes back alive > > > > and > > > > >> traffic starts to pass and both sides increment transmit and > > > > >> receive for a few days then it locks up again. It almost seems > > > > >> like when it auto reboots it does not bring up the Ethernet all > > > > >> the way. I have downgraded to 1.0.07 to confirm that it is in the > > > > >> firmware. This customer has about 85% rssi and 90% link quality so > > > > >> I don't see how it would be interference. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Martin & Steve > > > > >> Blazen Wireless > > > > >> 909-326-5003 > > > > >> www.blazenwireless.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S�mundur Johannsson Technician > > > > > eMax Wireless Internet > > > > > Hlidasmari 8 > > > > > 201 Kopavogur Iceland > > > > > Tel :(354) 5444454 > > > > > FAX :(354) 5444453 > > > > > www.emax.is > > > > > > > > > > ----------ANNOUNCEMENT---------- > > > > > Don't forget to register for WISPCON IV > > > > > http://www.wispcon.info/us/wispcon-iv/wispcon-iv.htm > > > > > > > > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > > > > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > > > > > smartBridges <yournickname> > > > > > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe > > > > > smartBridges) > > > > > Archives: http://archives.part-15.org > > > 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