Well, I think that for apps that run well in an LX zone (which is a feature in alpha on SmartOS right now) it make sense to first give devs a way to push, bit for bit, what they’ve got in a local environment into an LX container on SmartOS. SmartOS will still control the Global Zone layer stuff like networking and device drivers, which eliminates, I imagine, a lot of the security concerns around LXC containers. From there it’s a much smaller jump to fully illumos-based containers if that’s what’s called for.
In some ways I see parallels between SmartOS allowing the execution of Linux binaries and Apple porting iTunes to Windows back in the day. Both slightly ‘dirty hack’ approaches, but the Apple strategy paid off handsomely in terms of attracting users to a previously foreign/scary platform, and I can imagine something similar in the lx zone/illumos case Blake > On Nov 12, 2014, at 11:11 AM, GMail <[email protected]> wrote: > > So what we're really saying here is that your local machine is a fair > substitute for a 'enterprise' grade environment. I'm inordinately impressed > with your local machine in that case. I get the benefits of using the ABI to > provide the sorely lacking security and other features to the abortion that > is linux but seriously no one else sees the danger and the false castles in > the sky were building by assuming what I package in my Mac is ready for > deployment in an enterprise environment? I work in info sec at the moment and > I would not only get laughed at if I tried to promote this but is also get > fired. This kind of deplorable degeneration in engineering ethos may be fine > on platforms designed to share cat pictures and you're breakfast pictures but > you realise this doesn't fly in systems that have to do real work right? > Joyent and we all have an opportunity to provide strong leadership to > enterprises and we do them a great disservice but promoting this kind of > ludicrous and dangerous engineering ethos. The common apathy today of doing > things just because their easy and ignoring the incorrectness is going to > land us all in some damn deep hot water. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 12 Nov 2014, at 09:59, Bryan Cantrill <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> >> Yes, that's exactly it -- with the thesis being that it's easier to bring a >> Linux ABI environment to SmartOS zones than to make Linux containers >> actually work securely and at scale in a multi-tenant environment. >> >> - Bryan >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 1:42 AM, Blake Irvin via smartos-discuss >> <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> I think of Docker as a development workflow tool (similar to Vagrant) - it >> looks to me like Joyent wants a frictionless path from the local Docker >> container to the ‘industrial-grade’ zone/container on their cloud/SDC (since >> there are apparently challenges to running LXC containers at scale/high >> density). >> >> Any Joyent people on this list, please correct me if I’m misrepresenting. >> >> >> Blake >> >> >>> On Nov 12, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Khushil dep via smartos-discuss >>> <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Just the title of that article makes me want to throw up. Smart is for >>> containers?.... >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On 12 Nov 2014, at 06:59, Blake Irvin via smartos-discuss >>> <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>>> http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2014/11/10/joyent-wants-to-be-bare-metal-cloud-for-docker-containers/ >>>> >>>> <http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2014/11/10/joyent-wants-to-be-bare-metal-cloud-for-docker-containers/> >>>> >>>> On 11 Nov 2014, at 18:56, Nguyen Duy Kien via smartos-discuss >>>> <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank Henz and Bryan, >>>>> >>>>> One more my concern, i think the world of docker + mesos is great, it >>>>> make our deployment more easy, and scalable, distributed. Do the >>>>> smartos/sdc has this funtion ? >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Đã gửi từ iPhone của tôi >>>>> >>>>> Ngày 09-11-2014, vào lúc 00:02, Bryan Cantrill via smartos-discuss >>>>> <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> viết: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> (I meant to weigh in on this earlier, but it's been a busy couple of >>>>>> days.) >>>>>> >>>>>> One of the first people (if not the first person) that I talked to in >>>>>> the community about open sourcing SDC was Heinz (and this was years ago >>>>>> now). I wanted to be sure that Heinz heard it from me that I thought >>>>>> that FiFo was great, and that if (when!) we open sourced SDC, it wasn't >>>>>> to compete with FiFo but rather to complement it. No one who knows >>>>>> Heinz will be surprised to learn that he was very enthusiastic and >>>>>> supportive about us open sourcing SDC -- and looked forward to a day >>>>>> when FiFo and SDC would both be out there and cross-pollinating one >>>>>> another. >>>>>> >>>>>> That day is finally here, and I think we all have the same disposition: >>>>>> having two open source SmartOS-based orchestration stacks will help both >>>>>> projects and will of course help the community. One of the strongest >>>>>> elements of our small community is that we earnestly believe in choice: >>>>>> there is a strong sense of collaboration between, for example, OmniOS >>>>>> and SmartOS -- with each advocating the other for the use cases for >>>>>> which it was designed. So it will be between FiFo and SDC (and any >>>>>> other orchestration stacks that emerge): we have much more that unites >>>>>> us than divides us! >>>>>> >>>>>> - Bryan >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Heinz Nikolaus Gies via smartos-discuss >>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> It is indeed good news, I’m totally thrilled by this, so much >>>>>> interesting stuff to read! >>>>>> >>>>>> But let me re-asure you FiFo is not going anywhere as Garret already >>>>>> pointed out there are users of FiFo that picked it on merit and not on >>>>>> price (Lucera probably the biggest but certainly not the only one). >>>>>> While both FiFo and SDC serve the same general role, if you compare the >>>>>> architectures, you will see they are quite different and both probably >>>>>> have their sweet spot where to use them. I don’t see it as a one versus >>>>>> the other situation, the solutions compliment each other and I think >>>>>> open sourcing SDC will lead to some good cooperation and cross >>>>>> pollination. >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Heinz Nikolaus Gies >>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 6, 2014, at 20:37, David Yu via smartos-discuss >>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Great news! >>>>>>> Now I'm wondering what happens to project fifo (also cloud >>>>>>> orchestration) when smartdatacenter is now freely accessible. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Heinz Nikolaus Gies >>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> smartos-discuss | Archives >>>>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/184463/=now> >>>>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/184463/21493597-819305a5> | >>>>>> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>>>>> <http://www.listbox.com/> >>>>>> smartos-discuss | Archives >>>>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/184463/=now> >>>>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/184463/26766061-e9706338> | >>>>>> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>>>>> <http://www.listbox.com/> >>>>> smartos-discuss | Archives >>>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/184463/=now> >>>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/184463/26679658-d7bb2457> | >>>>> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>>>> <http://www.listbox.com/> >>>> smartos-discuss | Archives >>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/184463/=now> >>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/184463/25681568-6afa236a> | >>>> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>>> <http://www.listbox.com/> >>> smartos-discuss | Archives >>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/184463/=now> >>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/184463/26679658-d7bb2457> | >>> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>> <http://www.listbox.com/> >> smartos-discuss | Archives >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/184463/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/184463/21493597-819305a5> | >> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com/> ------------------------------------------- smartos-discuss Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/184463/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/184463/25769125-55cfbc00 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=25769125&id_secret=25769125-7688e9fb Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
