Today, I found my expectation in this article http://radar.oreilly.com/2014/12/why-the-data-center-needs-an-operating-system.html
Quota: >From an operator’s perspective it would span all of the machines in a data >center (or cloud) and aggregate them into one giant pool of resources on which >applications would be run. You would no longer configure specific machines for >specific applications; all applications would be capable of running on any >available resources from any machine, even if there are other applications >already running on those machines. Ngày 12-11-2014, vào lúc 17:56, Kien Nguyen Duy <[email protected]> viết: > I think SmartOS is greate with zfs and dtrace, and I have plan to mirgrate > "step-by-step" my existing infrashtructure (now using vmware esix) to > smartos. By now, the function is enough. > > But, in the future, I alway want to share resource between many hosts, and > trying use mesos with docker. But if I can do this in smartos, I can try on > smartos now. > > I always don't want to take care much about the hardware layers, configure, > tunning ... I want to make it simple with 2 thing: > > - resource pool (OS run live on hardware, make the abstract layer of > computing resource) > - data pool (user data, persistent data ...) > > data pool is great with zfs, but resource pool, i don't know how, maybe > mesos+docker is the answer. > > Imagine, if the whole system down or break, all we need is buying new > hardware + smartos iso + some small configuration + backup data, it can be > build up and run again very quick. > > Regards, > >> On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Blake Irvin <[email protected]> wrote: >> Well, I think that for apps that run well in an LX zone (which is a feature >> in alpha on SmartOS right now) it make sense to first give devs a way to >> push, bit for bit, what they’ve got in a local environment into an LX >> container on SmartOS. SmartOS will still control the Global Zone layer >> stuff like networking and device drivers, which eliminates, I imagine, a lot >> of the security concerns around LXC containers. From there it’s a much >> smaller jump to fully illumos-based containers if that’s what’s called for. >> >> In some ways I see parallels between SmartOS allowing the execution of Linux >> binaries and Apple porting iTunes to Windows back in the day. Both slightly >> ‘dirty hack’ approaches, but the Apple strategy paid off handsomely in terms >> of attracting users to a previously foreign/scary platform, and I can >> imagine something similar in the lx zone/illumos case >> >> >> Blake >> >>> On Nov 12, 2014, at 11:11 AM, GMail <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> So what we're really saying here is that your local machine is a fair >>> substitute for a 'enterprise' grade environment. I'm inordinately impressed >>> with your local machine in that case. I get the benefits of using the ABI >>> to provide the sorely lacking security and other features to the abortion >>> that is linux but seriously no one else sees the danger and the false >>> castles in the sky were building by assuming what I package in my Mac is >>> ready for deployment in an enterprise environment? I work in info sec at >>> the moment and I would not only get laughed at if I tried to promote this >>> but is also get fired. This kind of deplorable degeneration in engineering >>> ethos may be fine on platforms designed to share cat pictures and you're >>> breakfast pictures but you realise this doesn't fly in systems that have to >>> do real work right? Joyent and we all have an opportunity to provide strong >>> leadership to enterprises and we do them a great disservice but promoting >>> this kind of ludicrous and dangerous engineering ethos. The common apathy >>> today of doing things just because their easy and ignoring the >>> incorrectness is going to land us all in some damn deep hot water. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On 12 Nov 2014, at 09:59, Bryan Cantrill <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, that's exactly it -- with the thesis being that it's easier to bring >>>> a Linux ABI environment to SmartOS zones than to make Linux containers >>>> actually work securely and at scale in a multi-tenant environment. >>>> >>>> - Bryan >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 1:42 AM, Blake Irvin via smartos-discuss >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> I think of Docker as a development workflow tool (similar to Vagrant) - >>>>> it looks to me like Joyent wants a frictionless path from the local >>>>> Docker container to the ‘industrial-grade’ zone/container on their >>>>> cloud/SDC (since there are apparently challenges to running LXC >>>>> containers at scale/high density). >>>>> >>>>> Any Joyent people on this list, please correct me if I’m misrepresenting. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Blake >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 12, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Khushil dep via smartos-discuss >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Just the title of that article makes me want to throw up. Smart is for >>>>>> containers?.... >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12 Nov 2014, at 06:59, Blake Irvin via smartos-discuss >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2014/11/10/joyent-wants-to-be-bare-metal-cloud-for-docker-containers/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 11 Nov 2014, at 18:56, Nguyen Duy Kien via smartos-discuss >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank Henz and Bryan, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One more my concern, i think the world of docker + mesos is great, it >>>>>>>> make our deployment more easy, and scalable, distributed. Do the >>>>>>>> smartos/sdc has this funtion ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Đã gửi từ iPhone của tôi >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ngày 09-11-2014, vào lúc 00:02, Bryan Cantrill via smartos-discuss >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> viết: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (I meant to weigh in on this earlier, but it's been a busy couple of >>>>>>>>> days.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> One of the first people (if not the first person) that I talked to in >>>>>>>>> the community about open sourcing SDC was Heinz (and this was years >>>>>>>>> ago now). I wanted to be sure that Heinz heard it from me that I >>>>>>>>> thought that FiFo was great, and that if (when!) we open sourced SDC, >>>>>>>>> it wasn't to compete with FiFo but rather to complement it. No one >>>>>>>>> who knows Heinz will be surprised to learn that he was very >>>>>>>>> enthusiastic and supportive about us open sourcing SDC -- and looked >>>>>>>>> forward to a day when FiFo and SDC would both be out there and >>>>>>>>> cross-pollinating one another. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That day is finally here, and I think we all have the same >>>>>>>>> disposition: having two open source SmartOS-based orchestration >>>>>>>>> stacks will help both projects and will of course help the community. >>>>>>>>> One of the strongest elements of our small community is that we >>>>>>>>> earnestly believe in choice: there is a strong sense of collaboration >>>>>>>>> between, for example, OmniOS and SmartOS -- with each advocating the >>>>>>>>> other for the use cases for which it was designed. So it will be >>>>>>>>> between FiFo and SDC (and any other orchestration stacks that >>>>>>>>> emerge): we have much more that unites us than divides us! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Bryan >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Heinz Nikolaus Gies via >>>>>>>>>> smartos-discuss <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> It is indeed good news, I’m totally thrilled by this, so much >>>>>>>>>> interesting stuff to read! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But let me re-asure you FiFo is not going anywhere as Garret already >>>>>>>>>> pointed out there are users of FiFo that picked it on merit and not >>>>>>>>>> on price (Lucera probably the biggest but certainly not the only >>>>>>>>>> one). While both FiFo and SDC serve the same general role, if you >>>>>>>>>> compare the architectures, you will see they are quite different and >>>>>>>>>> both probably have their sweet spot where to use them. I don’t see >>>>>>>>>> it as a one versus the other situation, the solutions compliment >>>>>>>>>> each other and I think open sourcing SDC will lead to some good >>>>>>>>>> cooperation and cross pollination. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> Heinz Nikolaus Gies >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 6, 2014, at 20:37, David Yu via smartos-discuss >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Great news! >>>>>>>>>>> Now I'm wondering what happens to project fifo (also cloud >>>>>>>>>>> orchestration) when smartdatacenter is now freely accessible. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> Heinz Nikolaus Gies >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> smartos-discuss | Archives | Modify Your Subscription >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> smartos-discuss | Archives | Modify Your Subscription >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> smartos-discuss | Archives | Modify Your Subscription >>>>>>> >>>>>>> smartos-discuss | Archives | Modify Your Subscription >>>>>> >>>>>> smartos-discuss | Archives | Modify Your Subscription >>>>> >>>>> smartos-discuss | Archives | Modify Your Subscription > > > > -- > PeaceSoft SysAdmin > Phone: 0989.255.660 > Skype: kiennd ------------------------------------------- smartos-discuss Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/184463/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/184463/25769125-55cfbc00 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=25769125&id_secret=25769125-7688e9fb Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
