I think SmartOS is greate with zfs and dtrace, and I have plan to mirgrate "step-by-step" my existing infrashtructure (now using vmware esix) to smartos. By now, the function is enough.
But, in the future, I alway want to share resource between many hosts, and trying use mesos with docker. But if I can do this in smartos, I can try on smartos now. I always don't want to take care much about the hardware layers, configure, tunning ... I want to make it simple with 2 thing: - resource pool (OS run live on hardware, make the abstract layer of computing resource) - data pool (user data, persistent data ...) data pool is great with zfs, but resource pool, i don't know how, maybe mesos+docker is the answer. Imagine, if the whole system down or break, all we need is buying new hardware + smartos iso + some small configuration + backup data, it can be build up and run again very quick. Regards, On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Blake Irvin <[email protected]> wrote: > Well, I think that for apps that run well in an LX zone (which is a > feature in alpha on SmartOS right now) it make sense to first give devs a > way to push, bit for bit, what they’ve got in a local environment into an > LX container on SmartOS. SmartOS will still control the Global Zone layer > stuff like networking and device drivers, which eliminates, I imagine, a > lot of the security concerns around LXC containers. From there it’s a much > smaller jump to fully illumos-based containers if that’s what’s called for. > > In some ways I see parallels between SmartOS allowing the execution of > Linux binaries and Apple porting iTunes to Windows back in the day. Both > slightly ‘dirty hack’ approaches, but the Apple strategy paid off > handsomely in terms of attracting users to a previously foreign/scary > platform, and I can imagine something similar in the lx zone/illumos case > > > Blake > > On Nov 12, 2014, at 11:11 AM, GMail <[email protected]> wrote: > > So what we're really saying here is that your local machine is a fair > substitute for a 'enterprise' grade environment. I'm inordinately impressed > with your local machine in that case. I get the benefits of using the ABI > to provide the sorely lacking security and other features to the abortion > that is linux but seriously no one else sees the danger and the false > castles in the sky were building by assuming what I package in my Mac is > ready for deployment in an enterprise environment? I work in info sec at > the moment and I would not only get laughed at if I tried to promote this > but is also get fired. This kind of deplorable degeneration in engineering > ethos may be fine on platforms designed to share cat pictures and you're > breakfast pictures but you realise this doesn't fly in systems that have to > do real work right? Joyent and we all have an opportunity to provide strong > leadership to enterprises and we do them a great disservice but promoting > this kind of ludicrous and dangerous engineering ethos. The common apathy > today of doing things just because their easy and ignoring the > incorrectness is going to land us all in some damn deep hot water. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 12 Nov 2014, at 09:59, Bryan Cantrill <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Yes, that's exactly it -- with the thesis being that it's easier to bring > a Linux ABI environment to SmartOS zones than to make Linux containers > actually work securely and at scale in a multi-tenant environment. > > - Bryan > > > On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 1:42 AM, Blake Irvin via smartos-discuss < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I think of Docker as a development workflow tool (similar to Vagrant) - >> it looks to me like Joyent wants a frictionless path from the local Docker >> container to the ‘industrial-grade’ zone/container on their cloud/SDC >> (since there are apparently challenges to running LXC containers at >> scale/high density). >> >> Any Joyent people on this list, please correct me if I’m misrepresenting. >> >> >> Blake >> >> >> On Nov 12, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Khushil dep via smartos-discuss < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Just the title of that article makes me want to throw up. Smart is for >> containers?.... >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 12 Nov 2014, at 06:59, Blake Irvin via smartos-discuss < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2014/11/10/joyent-wants-to-be-bare-metal-cloud-for-docker-containers/ >> >> On 11 Nov 2014, at 18:56, Nguyen Duy Kien via smartos-discuss < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Thank Henz and Bryan, >> >> One more my concern, i think the world of docker + mesos is great, it >> make our deployment more easy, and scalable, distributed. Do the >> smartos/sdc has this funtion ? >> >> Regards, >> >> Đã gửi từ iPhone của tôi >> >> Ngày 09-11-2014, vào lúc 00:02, Bryan Cantrill via smartos-discuss < >> [email protected]> viết: >> >> >> (I meant to weigh in on this earlier, but it's been a busy couple of >> days.) >> >> One of the first people (if not the first person) that I talked to in the >> community about open sourcing SDC was Heinz (and this was years ago now). >> I wanted to be sure that Heinz heard it from me that I thought that FiFo >> was great, and that if (when!) we open sourced SDC, it wasn't to compete >> with FiFo but rather to complement it. No one who knows Heinz will be >> surprised to learn that he was very enthusiastic and supportive about us >> open sourcing SDC -- and looked forward to a day when FiFo and SDC would >> both be out there and cross-pollinating one another. >> >> That day is finally here, and I think we all have the same disposition: >> having two open source SmartOS-based orchestration stacks will help both >> projects and will of course help the community. One of the strongest >> elements of our small community is that we earnestly believe in choice: >> there is a strong sense of collaboration between, for example, OmniOS and >> SmartOS -- with each advocating the other for the use cases for which it >> was designed. So it will be between FiFo and SDC (and any other >> orchestration stacks that emerge): we have much more that unites us than >> divides us! >> >> - Bryan >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Heinz Nikolaus Gies via smartos-discuss < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> It is indeed good news, I’m totally thrilled by this, so much >>> interesting stuff to read! >>> >>> But let me re-asure you FiFo is not going anywhere as Garret already >>> pointed out there are users of FiFo that picked it on merit and not on >>> price (Lucera probably the biggest but certainly not the only one). While >>> both FiFo and SDC serve the same general role, if you compare the >>> architectures, you will see they are quite different and both probably have >>> their sweet spot where to use them. I don’t see it as a one versus the >>> other situation, the solutions compliment each other and I think open >>> sourcing SDC will lead to some good cooperation and cross pollination. >>> >>> --- >>> Cheers, >>> Heinz Nikolaus Gies >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> On Nov 6, 2014, at 20:37, David Yu via smartos-discuss < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Great news! >>> Now I'm wondering what happens to project fifo (also cloud >>> orchestration) when smartdatacenter is now freely accessible. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> Cheers, >>> Heinz Nikolaus Gies >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> *smartos-discuss* | Archives >>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/184463/=now> >>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/184463/21493597-819305a5> | >>> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>> <http://www.listbox.com/> >>> >> >> *smartos-discuss* | Archives >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/184463/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/184463/26766061-e9706338> | >> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com/> >> >> *smartos-discuss* | Archives >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/184463/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/184463/26679658-d7bb2457> | >> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com/> >> >> *smartos-discuss* | Archives >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/184463/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/184463/25681568-6afa236a> | >> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com/> >> >> *smartos-discuss* | Archives >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/184463/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/184463/26679658-d7bb2457> | >> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com/> >> >> >> *smartos-discuss* | Archives >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/184463/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/184463/21493597-819305a5> | >> Modify >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> >> Your Subscription <http://www.listbox.com/> >> > > -- PeaceSoft SysAdmin Phone: 0989.255.660 Skype: kiennd ------------------------------------------- smartos-discuss Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/184463/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/184463/25769125-55cfbc00 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=25769125&id_secret=25769125-7688e9fb Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
