Interesting! Now add a silver subscription for ~300 - 400 Euro and even I may think about it again.
Add another silver subscription option without Mental Ray for ~200 Euro and I'm sold ;-) Cheers, Tom http://www.screendream.de On 12 July 2012 13:56, Matt Morris <[email protected]> wrote: > I've just been informed that as of 1st august prices for subscription in > the UK will be dropped down to £545. (Still gold subscription) > > That's a much more reasonable 20% increase on my last subscription, rather > than 70%, and I will probably now upgrade. I wonder how many subscriptions > Autodesk has lost through this period though. There must have been a fair > few like me who decided it was a pretty unreasonable hike! > > > > > On 9 July 2012 17:48, John Richard Sanchez <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Hmmm Well I was paying $795 a year for subscription for XSI last year, I >> upgraded to the suite and now my Subscription price is 1,300per year for >> full suport or $900 for just upgrades and no phone support. Thats a pretty >> steep increase thought It was my choice to upgrade. Still trying to decide >> if the 1,300 is worth the money. >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 3:26 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> yes, '6 versions' made me wonder if a pre-autodesk version could become >>> upgradeable again - which didn’t sound like autodesk. >>> then again, if it’s a way to get people back to being a paying customer, >>> it would be beneficial... >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Graham Bell >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 12:25 AM >>> >>> To: [email protected].**com <[email protected]> >>> Subject: RE: price increases? >>> >>> I think for Soft its different, as 6 versions back takes it into Avid >>> territory and am not sure how that stands, etc. Though Soft 7.5 was post >>> acquisition so not sure about that particular version? >>> It appears they have followed the standard support policy which is the >>> current verion and 3 versions back - 2012, 2011 and 2010. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: >>> softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com<[email protected]>[mailto: >>> softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com<[email protected]>] >>> On Behalf Of [email protected] >>> Sent: 02 July 2012 19:44 >>> To: [email protected].**com <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: price increases? >>> >>> thanks for getting back graham, >>> >>> hm 2010, that’s only 3 releases back then - not 6. Oh well. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Graham Bell >>> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 6:56 PM >>> To: [email protected].**com <[email protected]> >>> Subject: RE: price increases? >>> >>> Apologies for the late reply, but I believe (though TBC) that the oldest >>> upgradeable version for Softimage is 2010. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: >>> softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com<[email protected]> >>> [mailto:softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com<[email protected]>] >>> On Behalf Of [email protected] >>> Sent: 22 June 2012 20:00 >>> To: [email protected].**com <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: price increases? >>> >>> thanks Graham for the clear information. >>> it beats rumours, and this doesn’t sound like 'evil coorporation' >>> schemes to me, more like standardization of policies. >>> >>> can you find out which the oldest upgradeable version is? >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Graham Bell >>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 9:53 AM >>> To: [email protected].**com <[email protected]> >>> Subject: RE: price increases? >>> >>> Ok, so after following this thread, I met with some of my colleagues and >>> we sat down to go through the recent pricing announcements and perhaps try >>> and make it clearer, the best that we can. So here goes, however this is >>> just from a Europe/EMEA view. Also to the best of my knowledge this applies >>> to the majority of Autodesk software, not just M&E, though there are some >>> exceptions, I don't know them all. >>> >>> Changes to the upgrade model for Autodesk software: >>> Basically for those who don't know, Autodesk has pricing models for when >>> someone wants to upgrade an old version of software to the current version, >>> if they haven't been on Subscription (for whatever reason). From February >>> 1st 2013, these models are changing >>> >>> On February 1st 2013, the upgrade pricing model will change so that >>> upgrades from 1 - 3 versions back will increase from 50% of the new licence >>> SRP to 70% of the new licence SRP. >>> >>> Upgrades from 4 - 6 versions back will remain at 70% of the new licence >>> SRP. >>> >>> Upgrades from versions older than 6 releases back will not be >>> upgradeable. >>> >>> Many customers are actually on subscription already, and this continues >>> to be the most cost effective way to keep your software current. >>> >>> >>> Subscription price changes: >>> >>> Autodesk has recently increased the cost of new subscriptions across many >>> product lines - these changes apply to subscription renewals from >>> February >>> 1st 2013. >>> >>> However, there is an exception for Softimage which wasn't mentioned >>> because >>> at this time it is not confirmed. As previously discussed on this list >>> and >>> other forums the Softimage subscription price has changed within the last >>> year, and is only available as a gold subscription (not wanting to open >>> this >>> debate here). The subscription price for Softimage is not expected to >>> increase further and in many cases might reduce back to a previous >>> price. I >>> do not know exact details, but information on local prices is expected >>> soon. >>> And again, I must state that I'm talking from a Europe/EMEA view. I don't >>> have any information outside of that. >>> >>> Multi-year subscription discounts to be phased out: >>> >>> On August 1st 2012, the discounts for multi-year subscription will reduce >>> from 10% to 5% for 3 year contracts and from 5% to 0% for 2 year >>> contracts >>> >>> On February 1st 2013, the discount for a 3 year renewal will reduce from >>> 5% >>> to 0% >>> >>> >>> So that's basically the pricing announcements that Autodesk recently made >>> which were only focused around the upgrade models and Subscriptions. >>> >>> >>> As for anything else, and to the best of my knowledge, there are no >>> further >>> price changes planned at this time in EMEA. Unfortunately I cannot >>> absolutely state that this won't change in the future or that there will >>> not >>> be some exceptions. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: >>> softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com<[email protected]> >>> [mailto:softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com<[email protected]>] >>> On Behalf Of Thomas Cannell >>> Sent: 19 June 2012 21:50 >>> To: [email protected].**com <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: price increases? >>> >>> Modo does in fact have the ability to edit and build materials with >>> nodes. >>> Just add them into the Schematic view and connect away. You will still >>> have >>> to use it in conjunction with the tree for certain effects as it won't >>> support everything you can do with tree. >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Thomas Helzle >>> <[email protected]<**mailto:[email protected]>**> wrote: >>> Steffen, sorry for the confusion - they call it Rendertree as well ;-) >>> While it's not node based (and I really am a node addict myself) this is >>> much less of a problem than I thought, in some areas it's even better. >>> Now >>> that I used it for a while, my old impression (not so different from >>> yours, >>> Steffen) has changed a lot. >>> >>> BTW. Lightwave isn't "layerbased" and never really was, Ronald? Current >>> versions of Lightwave (for many years now actually) have full blown node >>> shading which is in some areas better than XSI (no conversion nodes, yay >>> ;-) ) and less good in others (some factory shaders are a bit simple). >>> But I >>> think the Lightwave Renderer is still top notch and GI is very fast. >>> >>> Again, I don't think modo is for everybody, but IMO it's more artist >>> friendly and -centered approach goes a long way towards getting stuff >>> done >>> fast where the big packages can be a bit long in the tooth. >>> >>> Regarding the price: 20 years ago even a rotating cube was considered >>> awesome and you needed a lot of special knowledge, gear and patience for >>> even the most simple stuff. Been there, done that. >>> But the times are changing and today 3D is no longer something special. >>> I see an inflation happening: falling rates, cheaper, better and faster >>> gear, more people wanting "in" etc. >>> The big tools are up against Blender - with Cycles, Camera Tracking, >>> Volumetrics, Fluids, Compositing etc. today. >>> Very very different times IMO. >>> >>> I can't see how Autodesk prices are cost-of-development driven in any >>> reasonable way. >>> The packages they have already exist. They are noodling around with them >>> a >>> bit, but the last time I saw something really impressive in a major 3D >>> package was ICE in XSI 7. >>> >>> But anyway, I don't want to convince anybody of anything here, it's just >>> that I get the impression of a serious "Stockholm Syndrome" from some of >>> the >>> discussions on this list ;-) >>> >>> Each to his own - YMMV >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> On 19 June 2012 12:55, Steffen Dünner >>> <steffen.duenner@googlemail.**com <[email protected]> >>> <mailto:steffen.duenner@**googlemail.com<[email protected]> >>> >> >>> wrote: >>> 2012/6/19 Thomas Helzle >>> <[email protected]<**mailto:[email protected]>**> >>> especially their render tree >>> >>> They have a render tree? Node based? >>> Last time I checked, all I found was some sort of layer-based stack that >>> felt somehow "ancient". Can you point me to a tutorial or feature >>> description that shows this render tree? I would be very interested in >>> it. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Steffen >>> -- >>> PGP-ID(RSA): 0xCCE2E989 / 0xE045734C CCE2E989 >>> Fingerprint: 394B 3DA9 9A9A 96C6 3A5A 0595 EF92 EE1F >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ------------ >>> puppetstring.com<http://**puppetstring.com <http://puppetstring.com>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> www.johnrichardsanchez.com >> >> > > > -- > www.matinai.com >
