yes, '6 versions' made me wonder if a pre-autodesk version could become
upgradeable again - which didn’t sound like autodesk.
then again, if it’s a way to get people back to being a paying customer, it
would be beneficial...
-----Original Message-----
From: Graham Bell
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 12:25 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: price increases?
I think for Soft its different, as 6 versions back takes it into Avid
territory and am not sure how that stands, etc. Though Soft 7.5 was post
acquisition so not sure about that particular version?
It appears they have followed the standard support policy which is the
current verion and 3 versions back - 2012, 2011 and 2010.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: 02 July 2012 19:44
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: price increases?
thanks for getting back graham,
hm 2010, that’s only 3 releases back then - not 6. Oh well.
-----Original Message-----
From: Graham Bell
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 6:56 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: price increases?
Apologies for the late reply, but I believe (though TBC) that the oldest
upgradeable version for Softimage is 2010.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: 22 June 2012 20:00
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: price increases?
thanks Graham for the clear information.
it beats rumours, and this doesn’t sound like 'evil coorporation' schemes to
me, more like standardization of policies.
can you find out which the oldest upgradeable version is?
-----Original Message-----
From: Graham Bell
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 9:53 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: price increases?
Ok, so after following this thread, I met with some of my colleagues and we
sat down to go through the recent pricing announcements and perhaps try and
make it clearer, the best that we can. So here goes, however this is just
from a Europe/EMEA view. Also to the best of my knowledge this applies to
the majority of Autodesk software, not just M&E, though there are some
exceptions, I don't know them all.
Changes to the upgrade model for Autodesk software:
Basically for those who don't know, Autodesk has pricing models for when
someone wants to upgrade an old version of software to the current version,
if they haven't been on Subscription (for whatever reason). From February
1st 2013, these models are changing
On February 1st 2013, the upgrade pricing model will change so that upgrades
from 1 - 3 versions back will increase from 50% of the new licence SRP to
70% of the new licence SRP.
Upgrades from 4 - 6 versions back will remain at 70% of the new licence SRP.
Upgrades from versions older than 6 releases back will not be upgradeable.
Many customers are actually on subscription already, and this continues to
be the most cost effective way to keep your software current.
Subscription price changes:
Autodesk has recently increased the cost of new subscriptions across many
product lines - these changes apply to subscription renewals from February
1st 2013.
However, there is an exception for Softimage which wasn't mentioned because
at this time it is not confirmed. As previously discussed on this list and
other forums the Softimage subscription price has changed within the last
year, and is only available as a gold subscription (not wanting to open this
debate here). The subscription price for Softimage is not expected to
increase further and in many cases might reduce back to a previous price. I
do not know exact details, but information on local prices is expected soon.
And again, I must state that I'm talking from a Europe/EMEA view. I don't
have any information outside of that.
Multi-year subscription discounts to be phased out:
On August 1st 2012, the discounts for multi-year subscription will reduce
from 10% to 5% for 3 year contracts and from 5% to 0% for 2 year contracts
On February 1st 2013, the discount for a 3 year renewal will reduce from 5%
to 0%
So that's basically the pricing announcements that Autodesk recently made
which were only focused around the upgrade models and Subscriptions.
As for anything else, and to the best of my knowledge, there are no further
price changes planned at this time in EMEA. Unfortunately I cannot
absolutely state that this won't change in the future or that there will not
be some exceptions.
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thomas Cannell
Sent: 19 June 2012 21:50
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: price increases?
Modo does in fact have the ability to edit and build materials with nodes.
Just add them into the Schematic view and connect away. You will still have
to use it in conjunction with the tree for certain effects as it won't
support everything you can do with tree.
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Thomas Helzle
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Steffen, sorry for the confusion - they call it Rendertree as well ;-)
While it's not node based (and I really am a node addict myself) this is
much less of a problem than I thought, in some areas it's even better. Now
that I used it for a while, my old impression (not so different from yours,
Steffen) has changed a lot.
BTW. Lightwave isn't "layerbased" and never really was, Ronald? Current
versions of Lightwave (for many years now actually) have full blown node
shading which is in some areas better than XSI (no conversion nodes, yay
;-) ) and less good in others (some factory shaders are a bit simple). But I
think the Lightwave Renderer is still top notch and GI is very fast.
Again, I don't think modo is for everybody, but IMO it's more artist
friendly and -centered approach goes a long way towards getting stuff done
fast where the big packages can be a bit long in the tooth.
Regarding the price: 20 years ago even a rotating cube was considered
awesome and you needed a lot of special knowledge, gear and patience for
even the most simple stuff. Been there, done that.
But the times are changing and today 3D is no longer something special.
I see an inflation happening: falling rates, cheaper, better and faster
gear, more people wanting "in" etc.
The big tools are up against Blender - with Cycles, Camera Tracking,
Volumetrics, Fluids, Compositing etc. today.
Very very different times IMO.
I can't see how Autodesk prices are cost-of-development driven in any
reasonable way.
The packages they have already exist. They are noodling around with them a
bit, but the last time I saw something really impressive in a major 3D
package was ICE in XSI 7.
But anyway, I don't want to convince anybody of anything here, it's just
that I get the impression of a serious "Stockholm Syndrome" from some of the
discussions on this list ;-)
Each to his own - YMMV
Best regards,
Tom
On 19 June 2012 12:55, Steffen Dünner
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
2012/6/19 Thomas Helzle
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
especially their render tree
They have a render tree? Node based?
Last time I checked, all I found was some sort of layer-based stack that
felt somehow "ancient". Can you point me to a tutorial or feature
description that shows this render tree? I would be very interested in it.
Cheers
Steffen
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