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On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Sebastien Sterling < [email protected]> wrote: > Why not petition SDK improvement ? > > on a side note, has anyone seen the updates to mudbox ?! the new topology > tools look pretty sassy ! > > > On 10 April 2013 18:21, Eric Cosky <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Just to add to the discussion, when I made EssGeo (a geometry plugin, >> http://www.boundingboxgames.com/tools/essgeo) I had to disable a couple >> of features due to problems with cluster management. Namely, a random >> cluster op and a greeble op. I think they could have been pretty useful >> tools.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I made an imgur gallery that showed the features I had to abandon, check >> it out here: http://imgur.com/a/5T7v0**** >> >> ** ** >> >> It’s been a while since I wrote all this, but if memory serves I couldn’t >> find what I needed for cluster management in the C++ API, so I had to >> resort to this sort of thing which basically builds a VB command to make >> changes to clusters:**** >> >> ** ** >> >> >> CString prefix = cluster.GetFullName() + L", " + pname + L".poly[";**** >> >> >> if(ecount > 0)**** >> >> >> {**** >> >> >> CString arg = prefix + L"0-" + CString(CValue(pcount-1)) + L"]";**** >> >> >> args[0] = arg;**** >> >> >> status = Application().ExecuteCommand(L"RemoveFromCluster", args, val);** >> ** >> >> >> DEBUG_ASSERT_OK(status);**** >> >> >> }**** >> >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> This of course is pretty slow compared to a proper native API, but it >> generally solved that part of the problem and in practice wasn’t a >> performance problem since clusters didn’t change all the time.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Unfortunately I had to yank these features because I could never get them >> stable. Changing anything that changed cluster data had the potential to >> crash Softimage. I usually assume when something doesn’t work that it’s my >> fault, because there always seems to be a tendency for things to actually >> turn out to be my fault the moment I point the finger somewhere else, but >> in this case I wound up convinced the cluster management internals of >> Softimage was buggy and there was nothing I could do about it. I’d love to >> be wrong so I could fix my plugin but this thread suggests otherwise.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> If someone on the Softimage dev team would like the source code to this >> plugin along with an already-built version with these features enabled in >> order to fix the crash and see a specific example of what cluster API >> changes would be useful, I’d be happy to provide it.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> -Eric Cosky**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Sebastien >> Sterling >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 09, 2013 5:40 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: Softimage 2014**** >> >> ** ** >> >> If these things are to hard to accomplish for third party people, then >> what realistic chance is there that they will ever be implemented ? is what >> i want to know, Autodesk don't exactly have a good track record of treating >> there customers as a valid source of input... is there some secret ballot >> where this stuff gets decided ?**** >> >> Also, is the problem that the SDK is just too archaic ? does it need a >> complete rewrite ? or are aspects of the code unavailable or illegal to be >> changed to/by scripters ? if so does Autodesk have the ability to make the >> code available ?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On 9 April 2013 09:27, Eugen Sares <[email protected]> wrote:**** >> >> Oil on my fire. >> That cluster SDK restriction really really sucks. It is the reason why >> there never were any good topology/modelling addons from 3rd parties, which >> leads to stagantion if there aren't any new "factory" modelling tools >> brought also. >> In 3ds max or Maya, all kinds of plugins are available, completely >> natural. Not so in Softimage. >> The few ICE modelling tools like Cap are nice, but slow. Native code is >> nice and fast. >> >> Luc-Eric mentioned once, ICE was meant to be the "new SDK", that's why >> this cluster update mechanism has been implemented for ICE already. >> Imho that's an excuse. ICE complements the SDK, it is NOT a replacement! >> Cluster updates should be supported by the SDK as well, even if it is >> complicated, and thus somewhat of a challenge for a 3rd party dev. >> Try us! Provide a good code example alongside, and we'll do fine. >> >> Be wise and do it. Please. >> >> >> >> Am 09.04.2013 09:08, schrieb Piotrek Marczak:**** >> >> Just give us proper SDK and let community do the rest. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> "**** >> >> Softimage currently does not fully support custom topology operators. The >> problem is that any cluster or cluster property will not properly update >> when a topology operator adds or removes points that belong to the cluster. >> In the worst case Softimage may crash. Hence custom topology operators >> should only be used in the more limited scenario of objects that do not >> have any clusters. Once the geometry is ready it would be possible to >> freeze the object to remove the custom topology operators (but leave the >> result of their evaluation), then to add the clusters and other operators. >> **** >> >> "**** >> >> ??**** >> >> ** ** >> >> 2013/4/8 olivier jeannel <[email protected]>**** >> >> They do modo for birds ? >> >> Le 08/04/2013 20:27, [email protected] a écrit :**** >> >> I’m pretty sure there’s neither gentlemen nor ladies on this list.**** >> >> **** >> >> as for Modo vs SI – a little bird tells me there’s more important issues >> at stake than selection.**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* Rob Chapman <[email protected]> **** >> >> *Sent:* Monday, April 08, 2013 3:35 PM**** >> >> *To:* [email protected] ; [email protected] **** >> >> *Subject:* Re: Softimage 2014**** >> >> **** >> >> now now gentlemen, there are ladies present on the list too! **** >> >> **** >> >> lets just say , when it comes to apps and selection methods, leave the >> race courses for the race horses..!**** >> >> **** >> >> :)**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> On 8 April 2013 15:32, Toonafish <[email protected]> wrote:**** >> >> ...but I prefer brunettes with bigger boobs. If you get the idea J >> >> That's prolly because bigger boobs aren't obstructed so much, so they are >> much easier to select in shaded mode ;-) >> >> - Ronald**** >> >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> > > -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
