At a very basic level this is correct. Though can get a bit more
complex in that under the model (namespace) there can be other
organizational structures (nulls for example) that also do not move but
are more to separate the different parts of the rig. One null for
controls, one for meshes, one for deformers (null objects used in
envelopes).
Exampe:
char_bob_midres_rig (model, at zero)
- char_bob_midres_deformers (null, at zero)
- eye_L_def (constrained to object in control hierarchy)
- char_bob_midres_controls (null)
- ice_host (null, at zero, calculates some deformation / kinematic
data)
- srt_M_ctrl (animatable)
- offset_M_ctrl (animatable)
- char_bob_midres_geometry (null)
- body_M_midres_geo (mesh, at zero)
- eye_L_midres_geo (mesh, at zero)
Hope that clears it up. Also worth noting is that the model, and
organizational nulls are all hidden, maybe even locked too to prevent
them being disturbed (looking at you animators). :P
Eric Thivierge
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On June-20-13 1:06:15 PM, Ponthieux, Joseph G. (LARC-E1A)[LITES] wrote:
Eric,
Thanks. I guess now I am confused. I always interpreted Model as a toplevel parent. If I
understand this right the practice is to have a transform group underneath the Model and
the rest of the hierarchy underneath the transform group? All animation is then performed
at the transform group and below while the model is nothing more than a "mini
scene" container and kinematics at model level are ignored. Is that a correct
assumption?
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Subject: Re: Models and ICE
Well even outside the realm of ICE, moving the model from zero has always been
frowned upon.
When dealing with objects with simulations on them that are under the model,
the model's matrix if not at world zero can do funky things and have you
pulling out hair and punching babies. Not that I've ever punched a baby...
Eric Thivierge
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On June-20-13 11:48:45 AM, Ponthieux, Joseph G. (LARC-E1A)[LITES] wrote:
That’s really disappointing to hear.
I’ve got a large set of previously built model assets I want to use. I
could just convert them to old school and parent their structure with
a null as a opposed to a model, but that seems a real waste. It also
seems contradictory to where ICE was headed.
What’s the point of expanding ICE beyond particles or point clouds if
it’s not recommended to use it on model assets?
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*Subject:* Re: Models and ICE
I would not recommend using ICE on models, to be honest - have a null
underneath it and apply it to that instead. In my (kinda) humble
opinion; if a model is anywhere but world zero I disprove. :)
On 20 June 2013 16:31, Ponthieux, Joseph G. (LARC-E1A)[LITES]
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Is there a standard procedure for how to use ICE with Models?
Is it not recommended to apply ICE to Models then?
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Thivierge
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 11:27 AM
To: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Models and ICE
That may return the scene root if the model is under the scene root
though.
Eric Thivierge
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Hybride Technologies
On June-20-13 11:17:02 AM, Matt Morris wrote:
If its a model you might try using this_model instead of self?
On 20 June 2013 15:56, Ponthieux, Joseph G. (LARC-E1A)[LITES]
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
I’ve run into the situation where I attempt to apply an ICE tree
to a Model, but the ICE window browser gives the status____
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“All items hidden due to a filter”____
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If I proceed to create an ICE tree on the Model, it works, but
does not behave as expected.____
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Further, if the Model’s name is “Test”, and I attempt to Set data
on it with____
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Test.kine.pathcns.perc____
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It is valid,____
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But this:____
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self.kine.pathcns.perc____
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is not valid and lights up like a stop light.____
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What did I get wrong?____
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Mymic Technical Services____
NASA Langley Research Center____
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