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On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Raffaele Fragapane < [email protected]> wrote: > I don't have an issue with people venting their frustrations, nor I'm > saying there's no reason for it, since there is. > I'm saying it cannot be in every single bloody thread, and it shouldn't be > with absolutely gratuitous and unrelated potshots. > > This was a thread about a linux survey, that became about surveys, that > became about the developers listening in or not. All fair game. > How does, out of the blue, complaining about Soft's viewport by comparing > it to an OFFLINE rendering engine that just happens to draw through webGLfit? > It doesn't. Beside not even being an apt comparison there is not one > small, tenuous connection to the topic. > > Make a complaint thread and keep it live by having a go at the world if > you wish, I'll jump in there and take a shot at it myself, but please let > at least one useful thread once in a while proceed unmolested and on topic. > That's all I ask. > > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Angus Davidson <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> Hi Raffaele >> >> >> >> While I agree with your firstpoint, You cant really compare something >> that is packaged vs something that is ongoing I do think your being a bit >> sensitive about people expressing their frustrations Before coming to >> education I worked as a developer in a big corporation (for south africa >> anyway) and you need to be able to separate people venting from stuff that >> is valid to what you are doing. That is what part of being a professional >> developer is. It by default requires you to have a think skin and an >> ability to see behind what that person is saying. >> >> >> >> Yes there is a fair amount of negativity around, but most of it has very >> valid reasons for being there. Trying to turn that around is what the Devs >> are trying to do. I really look forward to time when the vast majority of >> the posts are more positive, but that will only come from >> when REALISTIC expectations are considered to be met (I of course exclude >> my unrealisttic expectaion of a mac version of XSI from that ;) >> >> >> >> Point is this is one of the few places people cant vent their >> frustrations with hope of it being read and possibly acted on by the >> appropriate people. In a lot of ways its valuable for them to see the scope >> of their task. The good and the bad. >> >> >> >> Kind regards >> >> >> >> Angus >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Raffaele Fragapane [[email protected]] >> *Sent:* 21 August 2013 09:35 AM >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: Softimage 2015 User Survey >> >> I was involved with that from inception (of its integration) to >> launch and for future integration steps (coming CGPortfolio revamp GCS has >> been talking about for a while). >> >> It's an offline rendering engine that pre-bakes a lot of stuff, that's >> what it boils down to. >> If you're willing to entertain the idea of having non-deforming >> characters with channels limited to four entries into a single pixel shader >> rendering offline for seconds to minutes before they can be orbited around, >> then you could call it a viewport. Make sure you don't blow the polycount >> limit either. >> Me? I wouldn't call it that (a viewport). >> >> If you want to beg for anything beg for the VP2 ubershader (DX11 only) >> that's in Maya, comparing Verold to a DCC viewport is apples and oranges. >> >> Please, could we have at least ONE thread spanning more than a handful >> of e-mails at a time without using words like embarassing? Particularly one >> where people wonder why developers are quiet on the list. >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Mirko Jankovic < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> another one for survey.. >>> >>> http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=2&t=1119260&page=1&pp=15 >>> >>> now inside browser you can have better viewport than in SI. it is >>> embarrassing to have to rely on 3d party small programs in order to see >>> your work with all textures that are industry standard for years now. :) >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Chris Chia <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Doeke, >>>> This survey is posted here to seek for a bigger audience as it's result >>>> would be useful for certain decision needed for Linux support. >>>> Of course we do contact the users and sometimes we brought it offline >>>> [out of mailinglist] and emailed users instead to collect more information. >>>> >>>> And lastly, please rest assured that many eyes are on this list. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto: >>>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Doeke Wartena >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:19 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: Softimage 2015 User Survey >>>> >>>> I wondered, are people that work on softimage ever active on the >>>> mailinglist apart from asking for a survey? >>>> In other words, how is the contact between the creators and the users? >>>> >>>> 2013/8/19 Rob Wuijster <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> Just a friendly warning, this only works without issues on non-UEFI >>>> machines. >>>> Due to the UEFI 'Secure Boot' Wubi will not run, and could in some >>>> cases destroy data on disk. >>>> So if you recently bought a new (W8) pc, chances are it boots with >>>> UEFI. So YMMV on these pc's with Ubuntu.... >>>> >>>> But yes, there are tricks to work around this if you want ;-) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rob >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> \/-------------\/----------------\/ >>>> On 16-8-2013 19:29, Alan Fregtman wrote: >>>> If anyone is new to Linux but wants to get their feet wet in the >>>> easiest way possible, check out the Wubi installer: >>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/windows-installer >>>> >>>> It will install as a program under Windows and will set up dual boot >>>> perfectly for you without touching your partitions (using a file as a >>>> virtual disk.) Because of this virtual disk thing, it's not recommended for >>>> very serious use, but it's a great way to try things out... >>>> >>>> and if you don't like it, go to Windows, Control Panel, Uninstall >>>> Programs, type in Wubi and that's it. >>>> >>>> If you do end up liking I suggest install Ubuntu with the install cd on >>>> a real partition. Copying your settings is not hard, if you're worried >>>> about that. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Andres Stephens <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> I'm curious about Linux. As.. the multiprocessor support would be >>>> perfect for some machines we are thinking to buy as servers for a >>>> renderfarm. >>>> >>>> I use Windows 7 and 8 a lot, and I use thirdparty apps for multidesktop >>>> features, with the functions like the ones mentioned below. I am starting >>>> to use free software, like GIMP, Blender and other suites for my needs, and >>>> wondered what other pro's of Linux to consider the switch. It would be nice >>>> to have Softimage as an easy package for Linux based renderfarm solutions >>>> or alternative OS solutions. >>>> >>>> The last mail you wrote was good to know, other than the conflicting >>>> intuous/bamboo driver conflict and multi user accounts logged in on >>>> different monitors at the same time, I do do the same virtual desktop >>>> system in Windows (Virtuawin or Dexpot) , and yes also, there are some >>>> other great productivity tools I use in Windows I am sure I'd miss in >>>> Linux. Many pro's and con's. >>>> >>>> If SI was an option for some kind of linux system, I would consider it >>>> once I upgrade to new hardware that Windows couldn't take advantage of. >>>> >>>> Any "ease of use" and "compatibility" development is welcome. >>>> >>>> +1 >>>> >>>> >>>> > Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 18:34:51 +0200 >>>> > From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>> >>>> > To: [email protected]<mailto: >>>> [email protected]> >>>> > Subject: Re: Softimage 2015 User Survey >>>> > >>>> > ...you do realize that i can make the exact same statement with a >>>> search >>>> > and replace for linux vs windows, do you? >>>> > >>>> > just sayin'... >>>> > >>>> > but joking aside: for me switching to linux brought a lot more >>>> > advantages than staying with good old windows. >>>> > >>>> > first i don't miss any tools. i have softimage, mudbox, maya, >>>> photoshop, >>>> > inkscape and all our inhouse editors. they all work fine. secondly, >>>> the >>>> > killerfeature of linux is its window managers. in my case mate >>>> desktop. >>>> > its slick, fast and powerful. i can have as many virtual desktops as i >>>> > want, keep several apps open in parallel (and not stacked up behind >>>> each >>>> > other), each screen is customized to my needs. sessions get saved, i >>>> can >>>> > switch and shuffle them around with a few keystrokes and i almost >>>> never >>>> > reboot - updates happen in the background...i have two monitors >>>> chained >>>> > to one desktop and another monitor on a second x session that kind of >>>> > acts like a second computer with a shared mouse, keyboard and >>>> > copy/paste-buffer for email etc.. it's the real life equivalent of >>>> those >>>> > funky hollywood-operating systems that we've all seen so many times >>>> > before and it's boosting my day2day performance a LOT. >>>> > >>>> > oh, and i can switch between wacom intous and bamboo without >>>> > deinstalling and installing drivers. try that with windows :) >>>> > >>>> > cheers! >>>> > chris >>>> > >>>> > On 08/16/2013 06:05 PM, Mirko Jankovic wrote: >>>> > > yea so far I also saw only problems with linux after trying to >>>> switch >>>> > > couple times.... >>>> > > fro missing so many other tools to making every day tasks a >>>> nightmare. >>>> > > sorry but if you don't have an Linux guru around then you will >>>> spend more >>>> > > time trying to do something on system instead of actually working >>>> on your >>>> > > job. >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Martin <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> > > >>>> > >> And why is that? What does make SI Linux better than Windows >>>> version? From >>>> > >> an artist point of view I see more cons than pros in switching >>>> from Windows >>>> > >> to Linux, apart from dealing with Linux based networks and farms. >>>> > >> >>>> > >> M.Yara >>>> > >> Sent from my iPhone >>>> > >> >>>> > >> On 2013/08/17, at 0:43, Bruno-Pierre Jobin <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> > >> >>>> > >>> Totally agree with Miquel. I'd switch to linux tomorrow if the >>>> > >> installation process was easier. >>>> > >> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> >>>> Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6587 - Release Date: >>>> 08/18/13 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it >> and let them flee like the dogs they are! >> >> This communication is intended for the addressee only. 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