404, Turman.
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Eric Turman <[email protected]> wrote: > [image: Inline image 1] > > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Raffaele Fragapane < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I don't have an issue with people venting their frustrations, nor I'm >> saying there's no reason for it, since there is. >> I'm saying it cannot be in every single bloody thread, and it shouldn't >> be with absolutely gratuitous and unrelated potshots. >> >> This was a thread about a linux survey, that became about surveys, that >> became about the developers listening in or not. All fair game. >> How does, out of the blue, complaining about Soft's viewport by >> comparing it to an OFFLINE rendering engine that just happens to draw >> through webGL fit? It doesn't. Beside not even being an apt comparison >> there is not one small, tenuous connection to the topic. >> >> Make a complaint thread and keep it live by having a go at the world if >> you wish, I'll jump in there and take a shot at it myself, but please let >> at least one useful thread once in a while proceed unmolested and on topic. >> That's all I ask. >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Angus Davidson < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Raffaele >>> >>> >>> >>> While I agree with your firstpoint, You cant really compare something >>> that is packaged vs something that is ongoing I do think your being a bit >>> sensitive about people expressing their frustrations Before coming to >>> education I worked as a developer in a big corporation (for south africa >>> anyway) and you need to be able to separate people venting from stuff that >>> is valid to what you are doing. That is what part of being a professional >>> developer is. It by default requires you to have a think skin and an >>> ability to see behind what that person is saying. >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes there is a fair amount of negativity around, but most of it has very >>> valid reasons for being there. Trying to turn that around is what the Devs >>> are trying to do. I really look forward to time when the vast majority of >>> the posts are more positive, but that will only come from >>> when REALISTIC expectations are considered to be met (I of course exclude >>> my unrealisttic expectaion of a mac version of XSI from that ;) >>> >>> >>> >>> Point is this is one of the few places people cant vent their >>> frustrations with hope of it being read and possibly acted on by the >>> appropriate people. In a lot of ways its valuable for them to see the scope >>> of their task. The good and the bad. >>> >>> >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> >>> >>> Angus >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Raffaele Fragapane [[email protected]] >>> *Sent:* 21 August 2013 09:35 AM >>> >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: Softimage 2015 User Survey >>> >>> I was involved with that from inception (of its integration) to >>> launch and for future integration steps (coming CGPortfolio revamp GCS has >>> been talking about for a while). >>> >>> It's an offline rendering engine that pre-bakes a lot of stuff, that's >>> what it boils down to. >>> If you're willing to entertain the idea of having non-deforming >>> characters with channels limited to four entries into a single pixel shader >>> rendering offline for seconds to minutes before they can be orbited around, >>> then you could call it a viewport. Make sure you don't blow the polycount >>> limit either. >>> Me? I wouldn't call it that (a viewport). >>> >>> If you want to beg for anything beg for the VP2 ubershader (DX11 only) >>> that's in Maya, comparing Verold to a DCC viewport is apples and oranges. >>> >>> Please, could we have at least ONE thread spanning more than a handful >>> of e-mails at a time without using words like embarassing? Particularly one >>> where people wonder why developers are quiet on the list. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Mirko Jankovic < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> another one for survey.. >>>> >>>> http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=2&t=1119260&page=1&pp=15 >>>> >>>> now inside browser you can have better viewport than in SI. it is >>>> embarrassing to have to rely on 3d party small programs in order to see >>>> your work with all textures that are industry standard for years now. :) >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Chris Chia <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Doeke, >>>>> This survey is posted here to seek for a bigger audience as it's >>>>> result would be useful for certain decision needed for Linux support. >>>>> Of course we do contact the users and sometimes we brought it offline >>>>> [out of mailinglist] and emailed users instead to collect more >>>>> information. >>>>> >>>>> And lastly, please rest assured that many eyes are on this list. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto: >>>>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Doeke Wartena >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:19 AM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: Softimage 2015 User Survey >>>>> >>>>> I wondered, are people that work on softimage ever active on the >>>>> mailinglist apart from asking for a survey? >>>>> In other words, how is the contact between the creators and the users? >>>>> >>>>> 2013/8/19 Rob Wuijster <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>> Just a friendly warning, this only works without issues on non-UEFI >>>>> machines. >>>>> Due to the UEFI 'Secure Boot' Wubi will not run, and could in some >>>>> cases destroy data on disk. >>>>> So if you recently bought a new (W8) pc, chances are it boots with >>>>> UEFI. So YMMV on these pc's with Ubuntu.... >>>>> >>>>> But yes, there are tricks to work around this if you want ;-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rob >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> \/-------------\/----------------\/ >>>>> On 16-8-2013 19:29, Alan Fregtman wrote: >>>>> If anyone is new to Linux but wants to get their feet wet in the >>>>> easiest way possible, check out the Wubi installer: >>>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/windows-installer >>>>> >>>>> It will install as a program under Windows and will set up dual boot >>>>> perfectly for you without touching your partitions (using a file as a >>>>> virtual disk.) Because of this virtual disk thing, it's not recommended >>>>> for >>>>> very serious use, but it's a great way to try things out... >>>>> >>>>> and if you don't like it, go to Windows, Control Panel, Uninstall >>>>> Programs, type in Wubi and that's it. >>>>> >>>>> If you do end up liking I suggest install Ubuntu with the install cd >>>>> on a real partition. Copying your settings is not hard, if you're worried >>>>> about that. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Andres Stephens < >>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> I'm curious about Linux. As.. the multiprocessor support would be >>>>> perfect for some machines we are thinking to buy as servers for a >>>>> renderfarm. >>>>> >>>>> I use Windows 7 and 8 a lot, and I use thirdparty apps for >>>>> multidesktop features, with the functions like the ones mentioned below. I >>>>> am starting to use free software, like GIMP, Blender and other suites for >>>>> my needs, and wondered what other pro's of Linux to consider the switch. >>>>> It >>>>> would be nice to have Softimage as an easy package for Linux based >>>>> renderfarm solutions or alternative OS solutions. >>>>> >>>>> The last mail you wrote was good to know, other than the conflicting >>>>> intuous/bamboo driver conflict and multi user accounts logged in on >>>>> different monitors at the same time, I do do the same virtual desktop >>>>> system in Windows (Virtuawin or Dexpot) , and yes also, there are some >>>>> other great productivity tools I use in Windows I am sure I'd miss in >>>>> Linux. Many pro's and con's. >>>>> >>>>> If SI was an option for some kind of linux system, I would consider it >>>>> once I upgrade to new hardware that Windows couldn't take advantage of. >>>>> >>>>> Any "ease of use" and "compatibility" development is welcome. >>>>> >>>>> +1 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 18:34:51 +0200 >>>>> > From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> > To: [email protected]<mailto: >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> > Subject: Re: Softimage 2015 User Survey >>>>> > >>>>> > ...you do realize that i can make the exact same statement with a >>>>> search >>>>> > and replace for linux vs windows, do you? >>>>> > >>>>> > just sayin'... >>>>> > >>>>> > but joking aside: for me switching to linux brought a lot more >>>>> > advantages than staying with good old windows. >>>>> > >>>>> > first i don't miss any tools. i have softimage, mudbox, maya, >>>>> photoshop, >>>>> > inkscape and all our inhouse editors. they all work fine. secondly, >>>>> the >>>>> > killerfeature of linux is its window managers. in my case mate >>>>> desktop. >>>>> > its slick, fast and powerful. i can have as many virtual desktops as >>>>> i >>>>> > want, keep several apps open in parallel (and not stacked up behind >>>>> each >>>>> > other), each screen is customized to my needs. sessions get saved, i >>>>> can >>>>> > switch and shuffle them around with a few keystrokes and i almost >>>>> never >>>>> > reboot - updates happen in the background...i have two monitors >>>>> chained >>>>> > to one desktop and another monitor on a second x session that kind of >>>>> > acts like a second computer with a shared mouse, keyboard and >>>>> > copy/paste-buffer for email etc.. it's the real life equivalent of >>>>> those >>>>> > funky hollywood-operating systems that we've all seen so many times >>>>> > before and it's boosting my day2day performance a LOT. >>>>> > >>>>> > oh, and i can switch between wacom intous and bamboo without >>>>> > deinstalling and installing drivers. try that with windows :) >>>>> > >>>>> > cheers! >>>>> > chris >>>>> > >>>>> > On 08/16/2013 06:05 PM, Mirko Jankovic wrote: >>>>> > > yea so far I also saw only problems with linux after trying to >>>>> switch >>>>> > > couple times.... >>>>> > > fro missing so many other tools to making every day tasks a >>>>> nightmare. >>>>> > > sorry but if you don't have an Linux guru around then you will >>>>> spend more >>>>> > > time trying to do something on system instead of actually working >>>>> on your >>>>> > > job. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Martin <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> > > >>>>> > >> And why is that? What does make SI Linux better than Windows >>>>> version? From >>>>> > >> an artist point of view I see more cons than pros in switching >>>>> from Windows >>>>> > >> to Linux, apart from dealing with Linux based networks and farms. >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> M.Yara >>>>> > >> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> On 2013/08/17, at 0:43, Bruno-Pierre Jobin <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >>> Totally agree with Miquel. I'd switch to linux tomorrow if the >>>>> > >> installation process was easier. >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No virus found in this message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> >>>>> Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6587 - Release Date: >>>>> 08/18/13 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it >>> and let them flee like the dogs they are! >>> >>> This communication is intended for the addressee only. 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