i feel you Raf… but isn't Cent Os is what's being used a The MIll per example, or Rodeo, or etc… ? …… and why is it like this? Things just don't update to the latest fun flavour of the month in a clap of hands of course…..but….
what would be your best bet for 2015? ….i mean clearly… SL? i would be more than happy to know more about your opinion onto this! :-) sly Sylvain Lebeau // SHED V-P/Visual effects supervisor 1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8 T 514 849-1555 F 514 849-5025 WWW.SHEDMTL.COM <http://WWW.SHEDMTL.COM> On 2013-08-22, at 12:22 AM, Raffaele Fragapane <[email protected]> wrote: > For the record Mint isn't supposed to be a clone of Ubuntu for its simplicity > of installation and other such things. > Mint was born because a bunch of very well clued people were tired with > Ubuntu never leaving the bleeding edge, and wanted to take a step back from > it and provide a more reliable, stable, predictable, standard-close and most > importantly media friendly Distro. > > They succeeded across the board and overnight became one of the top four > distros. > > CentOS is far from being this boon of stability and secureness, and it's sort > of a pain we endure due to legacy in our industry that we deal with it. > People went to it (or RHEL) because it was one of the few rare stable options > that also had decent lasting support, but it's as far removed as you can > possibly get from what we do as an industry. This was years and years ago, it > simply doesn't stand true anymore, and other distros have a much snappier and > happier level of support both through third parties and the communities they > foster. > > A better RHEL clone for us as a collective would probably be SL (Scientific > Linux), but better again would be moving away from RH and RPM distros > entirely to be honest. > > It's only inertia that keeps things there, they are not the most bleeding > edge and innovative with Fedora, nor the ones with the biggest user community > with any of them, nor in the least the most reliable/stable. All they have > going for them is the corporate support of RH, but the reasons that made > convenient having corporate support back then have long disappeared, and > CentOS only piggybacks on whatever support RHEL is paid for by other clients, > it doesn't have a proper corporate support in its own right. > > More and more software agrees with Debian and Debian rooted evolutions, some > of it officially, some of it simply doesn't have any issues with it, and > package formats such as RPM are mostly irrelevant these days outside of the > domain of the OS itself. > > It's a crying shame to see that instead of supporting a broader spectrum and > helping a move towards better distros AD not only seems to want to stay with > RPM, but to move to a miserable, ancient, backwards, absolutely and horribly > media unfriendly one like CentOS. At least Maya runs perfectly fine on Mint, > and getting a second GCC running on it is a non-issue, Soft isn't quite as > lucky in those regards. > > Only SideFX seems to have got some inkling of understanding of the Linux > platform and how to support it. > > CentOS sucks and it's a shame all the lemmings keep being forced running down > that cliff (me included) when there's much better pastures that practically > everybody is happily grazing on except the DCC related crowds. > > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Sylvain Lebeau <[email protected]> wrote: > hahaha nice one Eric!! > I was young when i've played this game!! wow... > > > For me, …. about the real survey….. which i've failed totally by awnsering > no at the first only question i was ever presented! hahaha. bummer. > > The first thing that brought me to try Linux was Nuke… And we we're amazed by > the speed and responsiveness…. It's another ballgame totally. I would say > about 70% speed increase. If not twice as fast while pushing sliders. Also > for our 2 Mari licenses and for our upcoming Houdini seats. I know softimage > won't be as fast since it relies on virtualization with mainwin. But i still > think it would speed up our process here. > > I've tried Fedora 18 at first because i tought that it would be workable > since Softimage was already supported on Fedora 14….but it's a bit old now…. > So i've based my tests upon 18 hopping i would be able to make it work. > Forcing libs, packages, simlinks, hacks in mainwin and X11… name it. And i > was wrong. I was never able to make it work at all. Even after nice help from > the guys here. > > Lighting artists do comp their shots here. So the back and forth between > softimage and nuke is really important. You don't want to dual boot just for > taking a specular down on a pass and resend it to the farm from windows. > > I will follow the leader if we ever end up on using something else. And from > what i've gathered, CentOs is the one. it's free and very secure/rock solid. > And it is still compatible with our deploy tools we are developing in house > for new/ or to admin machines via our onsite yum repo for updates so we can > control what's happening in updates on a testing machine. We will adapt > easily to this switch on a yum/rpm based distro. I've said it already in > another thread but we are using http://www.pulpproject.org/ to control how > updates are deployed. It is very safe since you can test/update on one test > machine then re-sync the repositories to your own in-house server…. It works > like a charm. And could make Fedora a real contender. Without it, Fedora is > just too dangerous to me and not an option. > > I know some talked about Mint and Ubuntu for their simplicity of > installation. But i think we must keep going under the redhat backbone > umbrella. Of course i am biased since my last paragraph. But I still think > it's the safest way to go. > > So… CentOs or Fedora since they are free. > > CentOS is much more safe in it's updates scheme for less babysitting. Of > course. > Fedora because it's bleeding edge and much fun for user experience..., but > more instability come's with it if you don't control the updates history > properly. > Otherwise RHEL. But it comes with a price tag that make things less > appealing to upgrade an whole park of computers. > > i vote for CentOS first …. or Fedora with meticulous controlled updates. > > > sly > > > > > Sylvain Lebeau // SHED > V-P/Visual effects supervisor > 1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8 > T 514 849-1555 F 514 849-5025 WWW.SHEDMTL.COM <http://WWW.SHEDMTL.COM> > > On 2013-08-21, at 7:06 PM, Eric Turman <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Raffaele Fragapane >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> I don't have an issue with people venting their frustrations, nor I'm saying >> there's no reason for it, since there is. >> I'm saying it cannot be in every single bloody thread, and it shouldn't be >> with absolutely gratuitous and unrelated potshots. >> >> This was a thread about a linux survey, that became about surveys, that >> became about the developers listening in or not. All fair game. >> How does, out of the blue, complaining about Soft's viewport by comparing it >> to an OFFLINE rendering engine that just happens to draw through webGL fit? >> It doesn't. Beside not even being an apt comparison there is not one small, >> tenuous connection to the topic. >> >> Make a complaint thread and keep it live by having a go at the world if you >> wish, I'll jump in there and take a shot at it myself, but please let at >> least one useful thread once in a while proceed unmolested and on topic. >> That's all I ask. >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Angus Davidson <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> Hi Raffaele >> >> >> While I agree with your firstpoint, You cant really compare something that >> is packaged vs something that is ongoing I do think your being a bit >> sensitive about people expressing their frustrations Before coming to >> education I worked as a developer in a big corporation (for south africa >> anyway) and you need to be able to separate people venting from stuff that >> is valid to what you are doing. That is what part of being a professional >> developer is. It by default requires you to have a think skin and an ability >> to see behind what that person is saying. >> >> >> Yes there is a fair amount of negativity around, but most of it has very >> valid reasons for being there. Trying to turn that around is what the Devs >> are trying to do. I really look forward to time when the vast majority of >> the posts are more positive, but that will only come from when REALISTIC >> expectations are considered to be met (I of course exclude my unrealisttic >> expectaion of a mac version of XSI from that ;) >> >> >> Point is this is one of the few places people cant vent their frustrations >> with hope of it being read and possibly acted on by the appropriate people. >> In a lot of ways its valuable for them to see the scope of their task. The >> good and the bad. >> >> >> Kind regards >> >> >> Angus >> >> >> From: Raffaele Fragapane [[email protected]] >> Sent: 21 August 2013 09:35 AM >> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Softimage 2015 User Survey >> >> I was involved with that from inception (of its integration) to launch and >> for future integration steps (coming CGPortfolio revamp GCS has been talking >> about for a while). >> >> It's an offline rendering engine that pre-bakes a lot of stuff, that's what >> it boils down to. >> If you're willing to entertain the idea of having non-deforming characters >> with channels limited to four entries into a single pixel shader rendering >> offline for seconds to minutes before they can be orbited around, then you >> could call it a viewport. Make sure you don't blow the polycount limit >> either. >> Me? I wouldn't call it that (a viewport). >> >> If you want to beg for anything beg for the VP2 ubershader (DX11 only) >> that's in Maya, comparing Verold to a DCC viewport is apples and oranges. >> >> Please, could we have at least ONE thread spanning more than a handful of >> e-mails at a time without using words like embarassing? Particularly one >> where people wonder why developers are quiet on the list. >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Mirko Jankovic <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> another one for survey.. >> >> http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=2&t=1119260&page=1&pp=15 >> >> now inside browser you can have better viewport than in SI. it is >> embarrassing to have to rely on 3d party small programs in order to see your >> work with all textures that are industry standard for years now. :) >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Chris Chia <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi Doeke, >> This survey is posted here to seek for a bigger audience as it's result >> would be useful for certain decision needed for Linux support. >> Of course we do contact the users and sometimes we brought it offline [out >> of mailinglist] and emailed users instead to collect more information. >> >> And lastly, please rest assured that many eyes are on this list. >> >> >> Regards, >> Chris >> >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Doeke Wartena >> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:19 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Softimage 2015 User Survey >> >> I wondered, are people that work on softimage ever active on the mailinglist >> apart from asking for a survey? >> In other words, how is the contact between the creators and the users? >> >> 2013/8/19 Rob Wuijster <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >> Just a friendly warning, this only works without issues on non-UEFI machines. >> Due to the UEFI 'Secure Boot' Wubi will not run, and could in some cases >> destroy data on disk. >> So if you recently bought a new (W8) pc, chances are it boots with UEFI. So >> YMMV on these pc's with Ubuntu.... >> >> But yes, there are tricks to work around this if you want ;-) >> >> >> >> >> Rob >> >> >> >> \/-------------\/----------------\/ >> On 16-8-2013 19:29, Alan Fregtman wrote: >> If anyone is new to Linux but wants to get their feet wet in the easiest way >> possible, check out the Wubi installer: >> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/windows-installer >> >> It will install as a program under Windows and will set up dual boot >> perfectly for you without touching your partitions (using a file as a >> virtual disk.) Because of this virtual disk thing, it's not recommended for >> very serious use, but it's a great way to try things out... >> >> and if you don't like it, go to Windows, Control Panel, Uninstall Programs, >> type in Wubi and that's it. >> >> If you do end up liking I suggest install Ubuntu with the install cd on a >> real partition. Copying your settings is not hard, if you're worried about >> that. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Andres Stephens >> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> I'm curious about Linux. As.. the multiprocessor support would be perfect >> for some machines we are thinking to buy as servers for a renderfarm. >> >> I use Windows 7 and 8 a lot, and I use thirdparty apps for multidesktop >> features, with the functions like the ones mentioned below. I am starting to >> use free software, like GIMP, Blender and other suites for my needs, and >> wondered what other pro's of Linux to consider the switch. It would be nice >> to have Softimage as an easy package for Linux based renderfarm solutions or >> alternative OS solutions. >> >> The last mail you wrote was good to know, other than the conflicting >> intuous/bamboo driver conflict and multi user accounts logged in on >> different monitors at the same time, I do do the same virtual desktop system >> in Windows (Virtuawin or Dexpot) , and yes also, there are some other great >> productivity tools I use in Windows I am sure I'd miss in Linux. Many pro's >> and con's. >> >> If SI was an option for some kind of linux system, I would consider it once >> I upgrade to new hardware that Windows couldn't take advantage of. >> >> Any "ease of use" and "compatibility" development is welcome. >> >> +1 >> >> >> > Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 18:34:51 +0200 >> > From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> >> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> > Subject: Re: Softimage 2015 User Survey >> > >> > ...you do realize that i can make the exact same statement with a search >> > and replace for linux vs windows, do you? >> > >> > just sayin'... >> > >> > but joking aside: for me switching to linux brought a lot more >> > advantages than staying with good old windows. >> > >> > first i don't miss any tools. i have softimage, mudbox, maya, photoshop, >> > inkscape and all our inhouse editors. they all work fine. secondly, the >> > killerfeature of linux is its window managers. in my case mate desktop. >> > its slick, fast and powerful. i can have as many virtual desktops as i >> > want, keep several apps open in parallel (and not stacked up behind each >> > other), each screen is customized to my needs. sessions get saved, i can >> > switch and shuffle them around with a few keystrokes and i almost never >> > reboot - updates happen in the background...i have two monitors chained >> > to one desktop and another monitor on a second x session that kind of >> > acts like a second computer with a shared mouse, keyboard and >> > copy/paste-buffer for email etc.. it's the real life equivalent of those >> > funky hollywood-operating systems that we've all seen so many times >> > before and it's boosting my day2day performance a LOT. >> > >> > oh, and i can switch between wacom intous and bamboo without >> > deinstalling and installing drivers. try that with windows :) >> > >> > cheers! >> > chris >> > >> > On 08/16/2013 06:05 PM, Mirko Jankovic wrote: >> > > yea so far I also saw only problems with linux after trying to switch >> > > couple times.... >> > > fro missing so many other tools to making every day tasks a nightmare. >> > > sorry but if you don't have an Linux guru around then you will spend more >> > > time trying to do something on system instead of actually working on your >> > > job. >> > > >> > > >> > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Martin >> > > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> > > >> > >> And why is that? What does make SI Linux better than Windows version? >> > >> From >> > >> an artist point of view I see more cons than pros in switching from >> > >> Windows >> > >> to Linux, apart from dealing with Linux based networks and farms. >> > >> >> > >> M.Yara >> > >> Sent from my iPhone >> > >> >> > >> On 2013/08/17, at 0:43, Bruno-Pierre Jobin >> > >> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> > >> >> > >>> Totally agree with Miquel. I'd switch to linux tomorrow if the >> > >> installation process was easier. >> > >> >> > >> >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> >> Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6587 - Release Date: 08/18/13 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and >> let them flee like the dogs they are! >> This communication is intended for the addressee only. 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