Yees Kickstarter did come across my mind when I wrote but there is one big difference... some of those guys at Kickstarter actually still got some passion about what they do or at least we wanna believe that :)
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Michal Doniec <[email protected]> wrote: > "With this rate soon people will be pre-ordering ideas and empty promises" > They already do. www.kickstarter.com > > Back on topic I can't imagine any large facility to be able to operate > without support, so yes it's used and it's needed. > Most if not all of bugfixes are usually implemented in major releases > afterwards, so everyone benefits in the end. > > > > On 16 October 2013 19:46, Mirko Jankovic <[email protected]>wrote: > >> As I recall salesman is supposed to attract customer to gain their trust >> and support. >> Now it is other way around??? >> Customers should give their total support and money in order to be >> treated like customers?? >> >> Actually there is something similar happening with buying games as well... >> Before there was always demo to show potential audience what is offered >> so they can decide whether to buy. >> Now it is all up to buy before seeing pre-purchase policy. >> Is consumer market, both games and software that much brained washed??? >> >> With this rate soon people will be pre-ordering ideas and empty promises. >> Oh wait that is already happening.. subscription? paying upfront for >> something that you maybe will receive.. someday.. maybe? >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:25 PM, jim bough <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Isn't that the point? They are trying to increase income, this is their >>> plan, they are being forthright about it, now it's up to users to decide >>> whether that investment is worth it. >>> Perhaps, if more people were on the Softimage subscription model, >>> paying into r&d efforts, we might see a different software landscape today. >>> I said perhaps. >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 13:59:19 -0400 >>> From: [email protected] >>> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model >>> >>> I agreed with with Matt, we are still using 7.01, since we didn't >>> upgrade from 7.01 to 7.5 when Autodesk bought Softimage from Avid >>> now, we can't upgrade even if we want to. We would have been paying a >>> lot over these years. >>> >>> Leoung >>> >>> On 10/16/2013 1:35 PM, Matt Lind wrote: >>> >>> I dispute it’s better to stay on subscription. >>> >>> >>> >>> Case in point being the fact we were stuck on Softimage 7.5 for nearly 5 >>> years, not because we didn’t want to upgrade, but because there were no >>> releases without technical issues preventing our upgrade. Being forced >>> into subscription would be more expensive than the perpetual license model >>> as we’d have to continue paying AD with no return to show for it. Under >>> the perpetual license model we wouldn’t be obligated to pay anything. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Matt >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] [ >>> mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]>] >>> *On Behalf Of *Graham Bell >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:22 AM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* RE: Autodesk´s Sales model >>> >>> >>> >>> Regarding the announcements made at the investor day, I posted this on >>> another forum as part of an ongoing thread…. >>> >>> >>> >>> I think there's a lot of crossed wires here over his news and just >>> assuming that Autodesk are following Adobe literally to the letter. Yes, >>> there are Suites and now we have rental options (you can still buy >>> perpetual), but this news is really just about Autodesk discontinuing their >>> upgrade model. As of Feb 1st 2015 (still over a year away), users will be >>> unable to upgrade old versions to the current version. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regarding upgrades and what the term actually means, this is the ability >>> to upgrade an Autodesk product from a previous version to the current >>> version. So for example, someone has purchased a product and they may have >>> stopped their subscription (if they bought it) for a period of time, and >>> they then wish to upgrade to the most current version of their software. >>> >>> >>> >>> Autodesk currently allow customer to upgrade their software to the >>> current version, for a fee. Until this year, there were different upgrade >>> pricing depending on how old the software version was, that someone wanted >>> to upgrade from. Also, (if I recall) there was no limit to how old a >>> version of software was, that someone wanted to upgrade. >>> >>> >>> >>> As of this year, the upgrade policy was changed and basically >>> simplified. Only the previous 6 versions will remain upgradeable. Owners of >>> older software versions who wanted the current version would need to >>> purchase entirely new licenses. >>> >>> >>> >>> If you did have a version eligible for upgrading, a single pricing >>> structure was put in place. User upgrading to the current version, would >>> have to pay 70% of the new license price for an upgrade. >>> >>> >>> >>> Essentially, the idea of staying on an old version of software and then >>> just paying to upgrade to the current version when you thought it was >>> necessary, becomes detrimental to actually just keeping on subscription. To >>> keep up to date and have previous version usage, it actually makes more >>> sense to remain on subscription. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> G >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] [ >>> mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]>] >>> *On Behalf Of *Sebastien Sterling >>> *Sent:* 16 October 2013 00:06 >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: Autodesk´s Sales model >>> >>> >>> >>> is this it for maya ? >>> >>> http://www.autodesk.com/products/autodesk-maya/buy >>> >>> >>> >>> On 15 October 2013 23:48, Sergio Mucino <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Autodesk is for some reason following Adobe's footsteps quite >>> accurately. Adobe started selling suites... Adesk did. Adobe goes rental... >>> Adesk follows. I really can't tell how positive or not the change will be, >>> and what it will mean for the future of the tools... I guess we'll have to >>> wait and see. The reactions to these decisions have been varied (some >>> people are not happy at all, some are quite happy). >>> >>> >>> >>> On 15/10/2013 4:52 PM, Sven Constable wrote: >>> >>> Of course I meant one third of the costs for every tool, not three. And >>> I used "thirds" as a term incorrectly. It was lost in translation. Sorry >>> about that. >>> >>> >>> >>> sven >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] [ >>> mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]>] >>> *On Behalf Of *Sven Constable >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:33 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* RE: Autodesk´s Sales model >>> >>> >>> >>> uhm, isn't he idea behind this model to cut any development costs by >>> three thirds in particular and sell all three as one package for a higher >>> price? And make it sound a good deal because costumers will get three tools >>> instead of one even they don't need one or two of them? Maybe I do not >>> comprehend here. >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] [ >>> mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]>] >>> *On Behalf Of *Daniel Brassard >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 15, 2013 9:16 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: Autodesk´s Sales model >>> >>> >>> >>> It is this article and the current Softimage cross-grade offer that make >>> me decide to take the jump to the Ultimate Suite. I am glad I did, I can >>> now test plugins and shaders on the three platforms and do other things as >>> well. And enough money left for some nice plugins or apps too. >>> >>> >>> >>> AD may have a smart thing going here, let's see what the future bring. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Alan Fregtman <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Did you read the whole thing? >>> >>> >>> >>> >From the article: >>> >>> *"The plan is to shift customers away from single product purchases >>> toward suites, and to move from buying perpetual licenses to acquiring >>> software on long-term subscription or short-term rental."* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 1:56 PM, David Rivera < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I came across this link: >>> >>> >>> http://gfxspeak.com/2013/10/02/autodesk-sales-strategy-includes-discontinuing-upgrade-purchases/ >>> >>> >>> >>> So what happened to the "rental" sales model? >>> >>> >>> >>> David R. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- > ---------- > Michal > http://uk.linkedin.com/in/mdoniec >
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