Would be awesome if a group of individuals just worked on an open source version that basically does everything Soft did + all the wish list stuff we ever wanted. I know I'm dreaming......
Kris On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Sebastien Sterling < [email protected]> wrote: > Excellent Maurice, I perches 10 000 stand alone licences, i'll be > expecting the paperwork, i'll have you know my superior are pissed :P > > > On 5 March 2014 00:39, Eric Lampi <[email protected]> wrote: > >> It's the typical short sighted mindset that has ruined so many great >> products. They think that they can cut all of that development and support, >> it's a win win because they cannot imagine that these SoftImage people have >> any other product to transition to other than Maya. So they cut costs and >> add seats to Maya. >> >> Eric >> >> Freelance 3D and VFX animator >> >> http://vimeopro.com/mybudoinc/animation >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Jordi Bares <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Astonishing... truly astonishing... >>> >>> And I wonder... what is the cost of maintaining Softimage evolving as a >>> first class product... are we talking about 8 developers? a few QA and >>> documentation guys and management? >>> >>> Are we talking about what... a little fraction of the profits may be? >>> >>> truly incredible. >>> >>> Jordi Bares >>> [email protected] >>> >>> On 4 Mar 2014, at 23:11, Sebastien Sterling < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Interesting, so with this logic, Carbine Games who are locked into >>> Softimage for at least 5 hopefully 10 years, will have to repurchase their >>> entire pipeline in max or maya... >>> >>> Animal Logic who have 2 new Lego films green lit, will have to recreate >>> everything minus the meshes... >>> >>> >>> On 4 March 2014 22:32, Morten Bartholdy <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for clarifying Maurice. >>>> >>>> >>>> Morten >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Den 4. marts 2014 kl. 20:14 skrev Maurice Patel < >>>> [email protected]>: >>>> >>>> > Yes this is the case. >>>> > Unfortunately these days license agreements are rather complex. The >>>> clause is there because subscription includes a certain level of support >>>> which we are not going to be offering in 2 years time. Whatever choice you >>>> make now will have pros and cons and these have been discussed on several >>>> threads but basically boil down to: >>>> > >>>> > - You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either >>>> by itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was >>>> discussed elsewhere >>>> > >>>> > - Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license >>>> that allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). >>>> You will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license >>>> functions like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate >>>> at no cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending >>>> on whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not: >>>> > >>>> > o If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing >>>> subscription - you will then still be able to use both products in >>>> perpetuity (at whatever release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time) >>>> > >>>> > o If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two >>>> years when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds >>>> Max-only subscription plan when we stop Softimage support. >>>> > >>>> > o If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two >>>> years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do not >>>> keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few >>>> licenses that you can maintain to access older projects >>>> > Maurice >>>> > >>>> > Maurice Patel >>>> > Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 >>>> > >>>> > From: [email protected] [mailto: >>>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Agg >>>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 1:47 PM >>>> > To: [email protected] >>>> > Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?! >>>> > >>>> > I imagine this is Autodesk protecting itself legally - if they sell >>>> you a product then I'm pretty sure they're obliged to provide a level of >>>> support for it. >>>> > Doesn't make it any less silly for us though, of course. >>>> > >>>> > On 4 March 2014 18:09, Kris Rivel <[email protected]<mailto: >>>> [email protected]>> wrote: >>>> > Ha...I read too fast the first time...now its even more confusing! >>>> So if you want to continue to use it, don't renew...but doing so forfeits >>>> the right to upgrade Max or Maya? That doesn't make any sense. Please >>>> tell me this an error. Everyone that is a paid customer should get >>>> transitioned to either one and always be able to run Softimage. I agree >>>> this needs to be revised. >>>> > >>>> > Kris >>>> > >>>> > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Jens Lindgren < >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> wrote: >>>> > My translation of it: >>>> > "If you want to use Softimage after the transition period, stop >>>> paying the Subscription. If you also want to continue using Max or Maya >>>> that you have had the pleasure to try for free for two years, you are >>>> welcome to buy a license. Thank you for being a Autodesk Customer. Now >>>> please drop your pants and bend over." >>>> > >>>> > /Jens >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Adam Sale <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> > I totally agree Arvid. I know I will need to revisit old scenes and >>>> projects, and this totally shoots us in the foot/ head. >>>> > This is a completely unacceptable move on the part of AD. >>>> > Let us keep our old licenses, AND migrate. What harm is there in >>>> keeping the old licenses around? >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Arvid Björn <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> > Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT: >>>> > >>>> > "Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will >>>> terminate at the end of the transition period if you are still on >>>> Subscription. You will be transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds >>>> Max or Maya depending on your initial choice. If you want to continue to >>>> use your Softimage license after Feb 1, 2016 you should not renew your >>>> Subscription contract for a period beyond that date. You will be able to >>>> continue to use Softimage but will forfeit any future updates to either 3ds >>>> Max or Maya." >>>> > >>>> > I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how can >>>> you deny the continued use of Softimage after the two year transition >>>> period? No fucking way in hell we'll just throw all of our data from almost >>>> 10 years back into the lake, we'll need the ability to open older Softimage >>>> projects INDEFINITELY. >>>> > Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with Autodesk at this >>>> pont, I have to keep access available. Rethink, respond and change this >>>> policy ASAP, thanks. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Jens Lindgren >>>> > -------------------------- >>>> > Lead Technical Director >>>> > Magoo 3D Studios<http://www.magoo3dstudios.com/> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >
