By putting money into Blender projects instead of Autodesk Subs you can build the application you want.
________________________________ From: Alan Fregtman [[email protected]] Sent: 05 March 2014 08:17 AM To: XSI Mailing List Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?! Blender? :p On Mar 4, 2014 11:32 PM, "Kris Rivel" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Would be awesome if a group of individuals just worked on an open source version that basically does everything Soft did + all the wish list stuff we ever wanted. I know I'm dreaming...... Kris On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Sebastien Sterling <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Excellent Maurice, I perches 10 000 stand alone licences, i'll be expecting the paperwork, i'll have you know my superior are pissed :P On 5 March 2014 00:39, Eric Lampi <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: It's the typical short sighted mindset that has ruined so many great products. They think that they can cut all of that development and support, it's a win win because they cannot imagine that these SoftImage people have any other product to transition to other than Maya. So they cut costs and add seats to Maya. Eric Freelance 3D and VFX animator http://vimeopro.com/mybudoinc/animation On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Jordi Bares <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Astonishing… truly astonishing… And I wonder… what is the cost of maintaining Softimage evolving as a first class product… are we talking about 8 developers? a few QA and documentation guys and management? Are we talking about what… a little fraction of the profits may be? truly incredible. Jordi Bares [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> On 4 Mar 2014, at 23:11, Sebastien Sterling <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Interesting, so with this logic, Carbine Games who are locked into Softimage for at least 5 hopefully 10 years, will have to repurchase their entire pipeline in max or maya... Animal Logic who have 2 new Lego films green lit, will have to recreate everything minus the meshes... On 4 March 2014 22:32, Morten Bartholdy <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Thanks for clarifying Maurice. Morten Den 4. marts 2014 kl. 20:14 skrev Maurice Patel <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>: > Yes this is the case. > Unfortunately these days license agreements are rather complex. The clause is > there because subscription includes a certain level of support which we are > not going to be offering in 2 years time. Whatever choice you make now will > have pros and cons and these have been discussed on several threads but > basically boil down to: > > - You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by > itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was > discussed elsewhere > > - Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that > allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You > will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license functions > like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no cost. > Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending on whether Maya > (or 3ds Max) works for you or not: > > o If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription - > you will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at whatever > release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time) > > o If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years when > we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds Max-only > subscription plan when we stop Softimage support. > > o If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two years, > we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do not keep the > Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few licenses > that you can maintain to access older projects > Maurice > > Maurice Patel > Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134<tel:514%20954-7134> > > From: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] > On Behalf Of Peter Agg > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 1:47 PM > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?! > > I imagine this is Autodesk protecting itself legally - if they sell you a > product then I'm pretty sure they're obliged to provide a level of support > for it. > Doesn't make it any less silly for us though, of course. > > On 4 March 2014 18:09, Kris Rivel > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > wrote: > Ha...I read too fast the first time...now its even more confusing! So if you > want to continue to use it, don't renew...but doing so forfeits the right to > upgrade Max or Maya? That doesn't make any sense. Please tell me this an > error. Everyone that is a paid customer should get transitioned to either > one and always be able to run Softimage. I agree this needs to be revised. > > Kris > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Jens Lindgren > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > wrote: > My translation of it: > "If you want to use Softimage after the transition period, stop paying the > Subscription. If you also want to continue using Max or Maya that you have > had the pleasure to try for free for two years, you are welcome to buy a > license. Thank you for being a Autodesk Customer. Now please drop your pants > and bend over." > > /Jens > > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Adam Sale > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > wrote: > I totally agree Arvid. I know I will need to revisit old scenes and projects, > and this totally shoots us in the foot/ head. > This is a completely unacceptable move on the part of AD. > Let us keep our old licenses, AND migrate. What harm is there in keeping the > old licenses around? > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Arvid Björn > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > wrote: > Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT: > > "Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will terminate at > the end of the transition period if you are still on Subscription. You will > be transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds Max or Maya depending on > your initial choice. If you want to continue to use your Softimage license > after Feb 1, 2016 you should not renew your Subscription contract for a > period beyond that date. You will be able to continue to use Softimage but > will forfeit any future updates to either 3ds Max or Maya." > > I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how can you deny > the continued use of Softimage after the two year transition period? No > fucking way in hell we'll just throw all of our data from almost 10 years > back into the lake, we'll need the ability to open older Softimage projects > INDEFINITELY. > Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with Autodesk at this pont, I > have to keep access available. 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