I do not agree with that . It is fast as every other CPU render engine.  Really 
same as Vray or MR or MODO render. Can not compare with Redshift though, but 
Redshift is far more behind Mantra in flexibility.

Care to share some scenes you had problems with?

I did this completely in Houdini, and did 3k render in less than 30 min on 
4770K.
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> On Dec 5, 2014, at 17:09, olivier jeannel <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I find it slow.
> Rendering glass without noise seems impossible.
> I confess I'm use to Redshift speed, and just saw a friend using Octane for 
> C4D.
> Results are costless compared to the effort Mantra requires.
> 
> Don't you agree ?
> 
> 
> 
> Le 05/12/2014 14:45, Andy Goehler a écrit :
>> What’s your beef with Mantra?
>> 
>>> On 05.12.2014, at 14:02, olivier jeannel <[email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The big problem for me is mantra. Just not usable without a renderfarm (In 
>>> my unexperienced opinion, of course)
>> 
> 

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