>If this is what I can expect in a whitelisted universe, count me out. I send
>a message to a confirmed opt-in discussion list and STILL get asked to
>confirm? Imagine if everyone on this list used the same process, or even
>just a small percentage of a list conatining thousands of members...

OK, here's my guestion.   Do we want to have this problem, or do we want
to solve it?

First, in a white listed universe there would be no need to confirm your
opt-ins.    The act of white listing would replace the confirm procedure.
  The infrastructure of the entire permission based bulk email industry
would be drastically simplified,  because responsibility for my mail box
is now where it belongs, with me.

Signing up for this list would be simple in a white list world.   I'd ask
for a subscription once, and then add spamcon to my white list.   

The problem you are experiencing in regards to emailbouncer does
illustrate the problems involved in a transition from a black list world
to a white list world.   There's no doubt a transition period is a major,
likely fatal obstacle.   I can see that from our discussion here.    

But they are transition problems, not a problem inherent in white listing
itself.   Imho.

Phil



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