On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:23:17 -0400, Phil Tanny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>If this is what I can expect in a whitelisted universe, count me out. I send >>a message to a confirmed opt-in discussion list and STILL get asked to >>confirm? Imagine if everyone on this list used the same process, or even >>just a small percentage of a list conatining thousands of members... > >OK, here's my guestion. Do we want to have this problem, or do we want >to solve it? > >First, in a white listed universe there would be no need to confirm your >opt-ins. The act of white listing would replace the confirm procedure. > The infrastructure of the entire permission based bulk email industry >would be drastically simplified, because responsibility for my mail box >is now where it belongs, with me. So, we stop putting e-mail addresses on business cards? How can one reasonably expect to whitelist everyone that has a legitimate need to communicate with them, when many of those users do not pre-announce their intention to do so before the first e-mail? >Signing up for this list would be simple in a white list world. I'd ask >for a subscription once, and then add spamcon to my white list. I see your point. I even agree with your point. But if it's so easy, why is it that I get a whitelist auto-generated reply from someone each time I post to this list? >The problem you are experiencing in regards to emailbouncer does >illustrate the problems involved in a transition from a black list world >to a white list world. There's no doubt a transition period is a major, >likely fatal obstacle. I can see that from our discussion here. > >But they are transition problems, not a problem inherent in white listing >itself. Imho. Agreed. It's an implementation error, not a technology error. I have friends who use rahul.net as their ISP, and some of them have a whitelist for their usenet replies. If you reply to a usenet post they made, you need to be whitelisted. Very clean, very simple, takes all of a half a minute. But clearly whitelists bring with them a certain requirement for both insightfulness, foresightedness and technical capabilities on the part of the user/customer. Like all technologies, putting technology in the hands of someone who can't/won't manage it properly simply leads to fun things like the propagation of e-mail worms, etc. Ted _______________________________________________ spamcon-general mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.spamcon.org/mailman/listinfo/spamcon-general#subscribers Subscribe, unsubscribe, etc: Use the URL above or send "help" in body of message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact administrator: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
