El 2022-07-17 11:30, i...@madatac.es escribió:
Bravo Rasa,

Perfectly expressed the real face and objectives of Ruscism.

Russia, the greatest terrorist country of this world, accuses Ukraine
of an  "act of terrorism"  after their destruction of a Russian
ammunition depot in Nova Kakhovka... but they do not stop bombing
civilian and medical facilities in Ukraine. Actually, only the lack of
mental clarity, due to their known alcoholism, and their extreme
wickedness, cruelty and cynicism, makes Russia leaders react in this
way,  as they see how they are not only losing the war but losing
thousands of soldiers and weapons each day, an inconceivable reality
that make them shout like the typical neighborhood thug ,finally
beaten up by the neighbors.

The defeat of Russian fascism by democratic Ukraine will change the
course of history and allow us to get rid of an inhuman form of
country and state.

Remember and don't forget, there is still a genocidal war against the
civilian population of Ukraine that has wiped from the Russian society
any hint of civilization, an ethnic and cultural cleansing carried out
by the inhuman criminal Russian terrorist state.

Slava Ukraini, Slava Heroiam!

Dmytro Kuleba, Foreign Minister of Ukraine: "The Russian people share the responsibility for the crimes that Putin is committing."


El 2022-07-17 10:57, Rasa Smite escribió:

I am sorry, but your messages don't make any sense, they are full of
"jumbled thoughts", or may be my English is not sophisticated enough
but I don't get your point,

may I make it bit more clear here - that since the Feb 24, 2022 (war
in Ukraine started) there are basically only two sides - either you
support Ukraine's fight to get free from Russia's occupants, or you
accept that Putin's Russia can go on and take the dominance,
continuing to use their worst and most cynical war methods against
civilians in Ukraine - now, and later in other countries.. (they will
never stop, as they never have enough - not only many experts say so,
but also my personal experience - of living my first 20 years in my
life in Russia's occupied Latvia).

there is no other third way, as this is not a democratic country we
deal with, it's based on lies, it always was, and these lies are very
different ones than those in your 'bad' capitalist countries, because
they are really dangerous, 'imperialistic' (as you say) and
chauvinistic, they make other nations they occupy lesser than them,
and make other world to believe their 'cultures' are bigger and
better, while our (other Eastern European, and former occupied
countries) voices then have always been shut up, you were used to call
us "rusophobs", which is totally not the case and never was, many of
my best friends are Russians.

can we not leave nation states to fight it out between themselves ?

of course not! the 'nice' Western people already for too long have
accepted Russia's Kremlin propaganda and their hybrid media wars as in
Baltics, never taking too seriously, and again calling us Rusophobes,
Western countries were always shutting us up when our governments gave
the serious warnings in various (especially recent ones) European

so either you listen bit more carefully what the other nations who
have been under long occupation think of the war in Ukraine and Russia
as country,

or you can try yourself to visit Russia and try to figure out what the
140 million people there really think..

or, move to Latvia, if you really want to understand and personally
experience how does it feel to live just 200 km from the border of the
big threatening country, who already occupied us once. it is here very
different feeling to be here - as Latvia (which is rather poor
country) is hosting 40 000 refugees from Ukraine, where my friends are
delivering jeep cars privately to the Ukraine to help them (while
other pacifistic Western European countries deny or delay their
military support), and we do this because at least 30% by official
statistics believe that we will be next... (sooner or later).

so any, even the most tiniest expression or sign of a help or support
such as an art residency or writing activist project, supporting
Ukrainian position is worth it, because it is a simply a humanistic
act, so much needed, as their hearts and lives are broken no matter if
they have escaped, but they are aware of that in their country Russian
militarists continue to kill and rape...

so while pacifism has long way to be achieved, there are humans and
their lives that need any support or a sign of any solidarity now...

any critical skepticism towards those who do something is the least needed.

Jaanis sent you great sources, you better read them first before
questioning, if they are trustful enough for you.

and last but not least, I also can share my own 'jumbled thoughts' by
referring to Manovich's post in FB, when he said that please consider
that many people (especially young ones) in Russia would prefer to
live in your "rotten" capitalist system. So am I, as I have
experienced both - communist and capitalist governments. And here I am
largely suspicious about your pacifistic ideas, as well as other UK's
May 1st Day activist ambivalent intents (how I call them - marxists
with Porsche): may be you simply don't want countries like Ukraine,
Moldova, Georgia, etc. to share with your capitalist "goods" and
people achieving just to live their normal lives?



On 16/07/2022 14:49, heath bunting wrote:

thanks for links - will take a look - not hopeful for making
good decision on these though, as it takes years of careful scrutiny
to determine whether sources are reliable and not mouthpieces for in-tell agencies

why does russian state propaganda matter to grass roots activists ?

i would have thought super-state propaganda vs sub-state propaganda is more relevant

can we not leave nation states to fight it out between themselves ?

overwhelming evidence suggestions that unlawful trans-national entities such as empires (united state of america empire: USAE) are a greater threat to individuals/ humanity than lawfully constituted nation states

what's more of a threat to peace ? 1000 foreign USAE military bases or
2 russian foreign military bases ?

hope all is well


On Sat, 16 Jul 2022, j...@21.x-i.net wrote:

Most of your questions about importance of fighting russian state propaganda can be answered by these expert resources:

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/03/08/meduza-is-granting-open-access-to-all-content-about-the-war-in-ukraine-under-a-creative-commons-license https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/07/12/meduza-is-hiring-a-social-media-editor-for-its-english-language-edition https://theconversation.com/russias-disappearing-independent-media-why-they-closed-178590 https://netzpolitik.org/2020/russian-disinformation-the-network-of-fake-foreign-media/ https://euvsdisinfo.eu/report/the-war-in-ukraine-is-about-the-reunification-of-the-russian-people2 The Russian neo-Nazis fighting Vladimir Putin’s war to ‘denazify’ Ukraine

List of few independent  resources in Russian..


On 16/07/2022 11:03, heath bunting wrote:

supporting Ukrainian media and confronting Russian state propaganda.

these aims appear to be very aligned to imperial interests

what do you mean by ukrainian media ? state/ corporate or grass roots ?

why is it important to confront russian state propaganda ?

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