heath
I am sorry, but your messages don't make any sense, they are full of "jumbled
thoughts", or may be my English is not sophisticated enough but I don't get your
point,
may I make it bit more clear here - that since the Feb 24, 2022 (war in Ukraine
started) there are basically only two sides - either you support Ukraine's
fight to get free from Russia's occupants, or you accept that Putin's Russia
can go on and take the dominance, continuing to use their worst and most
cynical war methods against civilians in Ukraine - now, and later in other
countries.. (they will never stop, as they never have enough - not only many
experts say so, but also my personal experience - of living my first 20 years
in my life in Russia's occupied Latvia).
there is no other third way, as this is not a democratic country we deal with, it's based
on lies, it always was, and these lies are very different ones than those in your 'bad'
capitalist countries, because they are really dangerous, 'imperialistic' (as you say) and
chauvinistic, they make other nations they occupy lesser than them, and make other world
to believe their 'cultures' are bigger and better, while our (other Eastern European, and
former occupied countries) voices then have always been shut up, you were used to call us
"rusophobs", which is totally not the case and never was, many of my best
friends are Russians.
can we not leave nation states to fight it out between themselves ?
of course not! the 'nice' Western people already for too long have accepted
Russia's Kremlin propaganda and their hybrid media wars as in Baltics, never
taking too seriously, and again calling us Rusophobes, Western countries were
always shutting us up when our governments gave the serious warnings in various
(especially recent ones) European meetings.
so either you listen bit more carefully what the other nations who have been
under long occupation think of the war in Ukraine and Russia as country,
or you can try yourself to visit Russia and try to figure out what the 140
million people there really think..
or, move to Latvia, if you really want to understand and personally experience
how does it feel to live just 200 km from the border of the big threatening
country, who already occupied us once. it is here very different feeling to be
here - as Latvia (which is rather poor country) is hosting 40 000 refugees from
Ukraine, where my friends are delivering jeep cars privately to the Ukraine to
help them (while other pacifistic Western European countries deny or delay
their military support), and we do this because at least 30% by official
statistics believe that we will be next... (sooner or later).
so any, even the most tiniest expression or sign of a help or support such as
an art residency or writing activist project, supporting Ukrainian position is
worth it, because it is a simply a humanistic act, so much needed, as their
hearts and lives are broken no matter if they have escaped, but they are aware
of that in their country Russian militarists continue to kill and rape...
so while pacifism has long way to be achieved, there are humans and their lives
that need any support or a sign of any solidarity now...
any critical skepticism towards those who do something is the least needed.
Jaanis sent you great sources, you better read them first before questioning,
if they are trustful enough for you.
and last but not least, I also can share my own 'jumbled thoughts' by referring to Manovich's post
in FB, when he said that please consider that many people (especially young ones) in Russia would
prefer to live in your "rotten" capitalist system. So am I, as I have experienced both -
communist and capitalist governments. And here I am largely suspicious about your pacifistic ideas,
as well as other UK's May 1st Day activist ambivalent intents (how I call them - marxists with
Porsche): may be you simply don't want countries like Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia, etc. to share with
your capitalist "goods" and people achieving just to live their normal lives?
best
Rasa
On 16/07/2022 14:49, heath bunting wrote:
jaanis
thanks for links - will take a look - not hopeful for making
good decision on these though, as it takes years of careful scrutiny
to determine whether sources are reliable and not mouthpieces for in-tell
agencies
why does russian state propaganda matter to grass roots activists ?
i would have thought super-state propaganda vs sub-state propaganda is more
relevant
can we not leave nation states to fight it out between themselves ?
overwhelming evidence suggestions that unlawful trans-national entities such as
empires (united state of america empire: USAE) are a greater threat to
individuals/ humanity than lawfully constituted nation states
what's more of a threat to peace ? 1000 foreign USAE military bases or
2 russian foreign military bases ?
hope all is well
heath
On Sat, 16 Jul 2022, j...@21.x-i.net wrote:
Most of your questions about importance of fighting russian state propaganda
can be answered by these expert resources:
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/03/08/meduza-is-granting-open-access-to-all-content-about-the-war-in-ukraine-under-a-creative-commons-license
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/07/12/meduza-is-hiring-a-social-media-editor-for-its-english-language-edition
https://theconversation.com/russias-disappearing-independent-media-why-they-closed-178590
https://netzpolitik.org/2020/russian-disinformation-the-network-of-fake-foreign-media/
https://euvsdisinfo.eu/report/the-war-in-ukraine-is-about-the-reunification-of-the-russian-people2
The Russian neo-Nazis fighting Vladimir Putin’s war to ‘denazify’ Ukraine
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/07/15/dying-to-kill
List of few independent resources in Russian..
https://www.youtube.com/c/Popularpolitics
https://www.youtube.com/c/NevzorovTV
https://www.youtube.com/c/FeyginLive
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzaqqlriSjVyc795m86GVyg
https://www.youtube.com/c/Gordonua
On 16/07/2022 11:03, heath bunting wrote:
geert
supporting Ukrainian media and confronting Russian state propaganda.
these aims appear to be very aligned to imperial interests
what do you mean by ukrainian media ? state/ corporate or grass roots ?
why is it important to confront russian state propaganda ?
who is at risk of this messaging ?
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