Thanks all... Justin pin-pointed it. It's a glass enclosure with concrete walls, ceiling, and floor protruding 'out'. I'm looking strictly as a combustible area - nothing combustible about it...
I have a meeting today w/ the powers that be to determine the fate of this space. Thanks for the info of ammunition to present! RFP C -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justin Reid Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 11:34 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Entry Vestibule situation... Sounds like this is the entry to the building and is all glass (which is probably giving the access issues). You may be able to apply for an exception based on the argument that the vestibule is a circulation pathway and therefore will not likely contain combustibles. Otherwise, the architect needs to provide a means to conceal the pipe or they will have to accept exposed pipe. Let the design team know that there is no guarantee the sprinkler can be omitted from the space and that they should begin planning to accommodate the sprinkler head. Then meet with the AHJ and state the case. Regards, Justin D. Reid, P.E. Project Engineer RLH Fire Protection 468 N. Camden Dr. #290L Beverly Hills, CA 90210 Office: (310) 601-3013 Cell: (213) 798-0251 Fax: (866) 871-2237 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:08 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Entry Vestibule situation... Why would "access" to a "small entry vestibule" be "close to impossible?" Seems that an "entry vestibule" would be the one thing most accessible. Question aside, if there is access then the space space is not concealed, and even if non-combustible, requires sprinklering. I just had an ME argue that if you put "Authorized Personnel Only" signs on locked doors then the space behind that door was concealed. He got an Honorable Mention for stupid but creative try. Tis was in a jurisdiction where I'm told that the Building Official holds the Fire Marshal in high regard because of the latter's "creativity" in finding ways to avoid sprinklers by "clever" interpretations of the code. 2008/7/16 RFI - Bismarck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Forum... > > Have a building with a situation that I need help in addressing - small > entry vestibule (14'8" x 7') which has glass exterior and interior doors and > windows - full height; with concrete walls, floor, and ceiling enclosing it. > Access to this area is close to impossible... Is there anything in NFPA that > I'm missing which would allow me to exclude this area? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > RFP Chuck > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.0/1555 - Release Date: 7/16/2008 > 6:43 AM > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > -- Ron Greenman at home.... _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.0/1555 - Release Date: 7/16/2008 6:43 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.0/1555 - Release Date: 7/16/2008 6:43 AM _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
