Just finished a first quick read. Thanks Roland for the lead. First impression is there is nothing we didn't already know intuitively and definitely nothing guiding a design thought. Ignition fluxes and heat release rates of sample size materials are nice but we already know they are generally tough to ignite and burn hot and fast. We already know there are concealed spaces in the final assembled boats. Rates and cause of fire aren't that important to us. Our work is prefaced with a fire occurring doesn't matter much if the cause is the forklift, battery on board or arson. I'm not knocking the report it is good but us sprinkler guys and gals have a more limited focus. The report is also planned for many interests that may not know this background info. And hey if it's properly sprinklered (to an extent) fire protection engineering is a marginal concern.
So this report doesn't help with the properly sprinklered question. I was really hoping more information would be present about losses and the sprinkler design that may have been there. I have from a reliable source there have been significant losses in sprinklered facilities. Sure would be nice to know what design didn't work and at least shoot for more. But that info is probably tied up in litigation. Just this morning I put together a budget and in my letter wrote - no code - no testing - no reason to believe any sprinkler design is capable of protecting this hazard. Chris Cahill, P.E. Fire Protection Engineer Sentry Fire Protection, Inc. 763-658-4483 763-658-4921 fax Email: [email protected] Mail: P.O. Box 69 Waverly, MN 55390 Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW Waverly, MN 55390 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Williams Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Boat Storage There are plenty of old abandoned boats around that could probably be had for testing. (I have a couple of classic fiberglass runabout that will NOT be donated). It would just be a matter of beating the bushes. I've seen the FPRF report, but have yet to go through the whole thing. I'll be very interested to see how testing turns out. At 03:33 PM 1/21/2009, you wrote: >Despite NFPA 303 saying treat as Group A plastic in racks and go to >NFPA 13, the 13 TC excluded that from Ch 21 for the 2010 edition. WE >did add that NFPA 13 has NO guidance for boats on racks. > >The FPRF has completed the first phase which was just a study on >available data. All their reports are free from the NFPA website. >THey are attempting to find enough interested parties to start phase 2 >where they do full scale fire tests (got a boat to donate?) and >hopefully will be able to define the necessary criteria.. > >Roland > >On Jan 15, 2009, at 11:56 AM, Russell wrote: > >>I remember that not long ago this forum discussed the protection for >>boat >>storage facilities and it proved to be quite a problem. Has anyone >>come up >>with a satisfactory design for this type commodity/storage >>arrangement? I'm >>looking to bid such. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Russell Rewis >> >>Brown Automatic Sprinklers, Inc. >> >>107C Hemlock Street >> >>Valdosta, Georgia 31601 >> >>229-244-8130 >> >>[email protected] >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Sprinklerforum mailing list >>http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >>To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >>(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) Todd G. Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, Connecticut www.fpdc.com 860.535.2080 _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
