Great discussion. I'm not going to make any friends on this forum with
my comments on this, but I do believe multi-purpose systems are the
future of 13D residential fire sprinkler systems. Code requirements
will be modified, new license categories created to facilitate this.
The cost savings are compelling and will cause the market to demand this.
There will be a lot of debate over the coming years on this, but if the
end vision really is to save lives with sprinkler protection in every
new home, it is hard to ignore the benefits of a multi-purpose system.
Certainly the home builders will not be ignoring this...and remember,
even though their opposition tactics frustrate us all, in the end, they
do represent a majority of the **customers** who will be "purchasing"
these 13D systems.
*Ryan Smith*
Residential Fire Sprinklers .com - Your Source for Home Fire Protection
http://www.ResidentialFireSprinklers.com
<http://www.FireProtectionSource.com>
Forest Wilson wrote:
Also the PHCC promotes this.
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Forest Wilson" <cherokeefire...@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:12:16
To: <sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org>
Subject: Re: Residential systems in California
I can answer the license question. In oregon, where wirsbo systems are installed, you must be a licensed plumber.
The plumbers union promotes this.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Jay Blocker <fire_sprinkler...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:52:54
To: <sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org>
Subject: Re: Residential systems in California
Well its good to know that potter signal has information regarding how much
water a toilet uses. Especially when there are high flow toilets and low flow
toilets and even high volume. Its nice to know that they research life safety
and life relief. LOL I am just wandering how we could leave a connection for
a plumber to use to tie the sprinkler system to a toilet if he does not possess
the proper license. Some jurisdictions require the company and tech to hold a
license to touch any part of a fire sprinkler system, They sometimes require a
plumbing license to touch a toilet. So the question is does the sprinkler
tech have to gain a plumbing license or does the plumber get a fire sprinkler
license? During the inspection would the tech have to inspect the interior of
the toilet? What happens when a 3 year old boy figures out that moving that
handle up and down repeatedly moves alot of water (possibly more than 6gpm).
Does the
toilet need a UL listing since its attached to a life safety system? Maybe we should
paint the toilet red and put a sign on it saying "FOR EMERGENCY USE ONLY". How
can we calc a toilet? Any ideas on how often they will get used? What about calcing it
if the user does a double flush.
Jeremy S. Blocker
Let us not look back in anger, nor forward in fear, but around in
awareness. --James Thurber
________________________________
From: Mike Henke <mi...@pottersignal.com>
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 4:25:29 PM
Subject: RE: Residential systems in California
There is a good possibility these types of systems will become common,
maybe not the most common but there will definitely be markets. These
are usually the PEX piping systems but not always. If they can eliminate
the BFP that can reduce the cost. They may still use 2 separate meters,
one for domestic water, the other a "fire meter" for the sprinkler
system. But they would eliminate the BFP and associated maintenance
costs.
The toilet will not activate the flowswitch. Toilets flow 1-2 gpm. They
also don't flow for long periods of time. The retard on the flowswitch
can be set longer.. Flowswitches do not activate until over 6gpm.
The sprinkler installer does not have to install the toilet. They can
leave a connection for the plumber to connect the toilet to.
Regards,
mike
Mike Henke CET
Sprinkler Product Manager
www.pottersignal.com
1-800-325-3936
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Thomas
Watt
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 6:01 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Residential systems in California
"To address the issue of backflow prevention, one discussion the
committee is having is the viability of placing a toilet on the
hydraulic end of the sprinkler system ..."
Great. Now I have to learn to install toilets. Will this function as the
inspectors test too? Won't the alarm sound whenever you flush?
What is the definition of Task Force anyhow?
Thomas
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