The number of homes I heard was 350 for every spkr contractor office in the US as additional market. That's from when they were still building new homes. Regardless, how many of us are set up- or will be as the mkt "arrives" with the advent of the adoption date (2011)? That's a lot of work to do. No doubt several of us have the capacity to do that work now- but its unrealistic to think we'll be ready.
Economics? Ryan, I agree with you- and I believe Mr Leyton- that plumbers installing pex will be the most cost-effective delivery method. They're already on the job, and it doesn't take the full 8 hour day we'd figure to do a phase task if you just walk over from your plumbing work and cut back 4 heads that need to go in today. People have asked if we're gearing up for the residential market. With the requirement still questionable as to passage in any particular state, and no work until the requirement arrives in 2011, what would I do with a residential dept until there's demand for it? glc -----Original Message----- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ryan J. Smith Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:31 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Residential systems in California Great discussion. I'm not going to make any friends on this forum with my comments on this, but I do believe multi-purpose systems are the future of 13D residential fire sprinkler systems. Code requirements will be modified, new license categories created to facilitate this. The cost savings are compelling and will cause the market to demand this. There will be a lot of debate over the coming years on this, but if the end vision really is to save lives with sprinkler protection in every new home, it is hard to ignore the benefits of a multi-purpose system. Certainly the home builders will not be ignoring this...and remember, even though their opposition tactics frustrate us all, in the end, they do represent a majority of the **customers** who will be "purchasing" these 13D systems. *Ryan Smith* Residential Fire Sprinklers .com - Your Source for Home Fire Protection http://www.ResidentialFireSprinklers.com <http://www.FireProtectionSource.com> Forest Wilson wrote: > Also the PHCC promotes this. > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Forest Wilson" <cherokeefire...@aol.com> > > Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:12:16 > To: <sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org> > Subject: Re: Residential systems in California > > > I can answer the license question. In oregon, where wirsbo systems are installed, you must be a licensed plumber. > The plumbers union promotes this. > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay Jay Blocker <fire_sprinkler...@yahoo.com> > > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:52:54 > To: <sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org> > Subject: Re: Residential systems in California > > > Well its good to know that potter signal has information regarding how much water a toilet uses. Especially when there are high flow toilets and low flow toilets and even high volume. Its nice to know that they research life safety and life relief. LOL I am just wandering how we could leave a connection for a plumber to use to tie the sprinkler system to a toilet if he does not possess the proper license. Some jurisdictions require the company and tech to hold a license to touch any part of a fire sprinkler system, They sometimes require a plumbing license to touch a toilet. So the question is does the sprinkler tech have to gain a plumbing license or does the plumber get a fire sprinkler license? During the inspection would the tech have to inspect the interior of the toilet? What happens when a 3 year old boy figures out that moving that handle up and down repeatedly moves alot of water (possibly more than 6gpm). Does the > toilet need a UL listing since its attached to a life safety system? Maybe we should paint the toilet red and put a sign on it saying "FOR EMERGENCY USE ONLY". How can we calc a toilet? Any ideas on how often they will get used? What about calcing it if the user does a double flush. > > Jeremy S. Blocker > > Let us not look back in anger, nor forward in fear, but around in > awareness. --James Thurber > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Mike Henke <mi...@pottersignal.com> > To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 4:25:29 PM > Subject: RE: Residential systems in California > > There is a good possibility these types of systems will become common, > maybe not the most common but there will definitely be markets. These > are usually the PEX piping systems but not always. If they can eliminate > the BFP that can reduce the cost. They may still use 2 separate meters, > one for domestic water, the other a "fire meter" for the sprinkler > system. But they would eliminate the BFP and associated maintenance > costs. > > The toilet will not activate the flowswitch. Toilets flow 1-2 gpm. They > also don't flow for long periods of time. The retard on the flowswitch > can be set longer.. Flowswitches do not activate until over 6gpm. > > The sprinkler installer does not have to install the toilet. They can > leave a connection for the plumber to connect the toilet to. > > Regards, > > mike > > Mike Henke CET > Sprinkler Product Manager > www.pottersignal.com > 1-800-325-3936 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Thomas > Watt > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 6:01 PM > To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > Subject: Re: Residential systems in California > > "To address the issue of backflow prevention, one discussion the > committee is having is the viability of placing a toilet on the > hydraulic end of the sprinkler system ..." > > Great. Now I have to learn to install toilets. Will this function as the > > inspectors test too? Won't the alarm sound whenever you flush? > > What is the definition of Task Force anyhow? > > > Thomas > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: > techsupp...@firesprinkler.org > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: techsupp...@firesprinkler.org > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: techsupp...@firesprinkler.org > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: techsupp...@firesprinkler.org > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: techsupp...@firesprinkler.org To Unsubscribe, send an email to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: techsupp...@firesprinkler.org To Unsubscribe, send an email to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
